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Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by pjc50 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:57AM (#24223251)
> Multimillion dollar businesses are built based on just the discovery feature.

Arguably, entire political movements; the far right and conspiracy vlogosphere relies on constantly being advertised for free to new suckers through youtube recommendations.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by calvinmorrison on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:19AM (#24223522)
We've seen a massive movement for companies to post warnings or alerts stating facts might not back up certain content on social media in the last year or so. Fact Checkers they're called.

Can we at least get youtube to put up a banner saying "no it's impossible to defy the laws of physics and build a unlimited energy machine with a few magnets a microwave and a multimeter?"

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by simias on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:01PM (#24224630)
The problem is that, in my experience, the most nefarious of these disinformation videos are those who are the most plausible and skirt reality enough to be complicated to debunk in a simple sentence.

If you seriously believe that the Earth is flat or that lizard people control the world, then frankly a Youtube disclaimer won't really change anything.

But take this random video I found earlier on PeerTube: https://peer.tube/videos/watch/7b5faff9-1752-4eba-be37-beeb0...

It's in French but basically it's one of these videos against the banking system that simplify and caricature the situation to the point of meaninglessness. Coming up with a proper fact-check for something like that would be incredibly difficult, and I'm sure extremely controversial.

It would also take a lot of time and money to get economists and physicists to weigh in on these videos. That's how these conspiracy theories manage to remain relevant in the first place: overwhelm the opposition with thousands upon thousands of hours of content, and claim that they take things out of context or that they don't get it if they don't bother to sink months of their lives watching all that garbage.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by jrnichols on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:27PM (#24227615)
That's something I have noticed as well and it's concerning - the vast amount of fringe/conspiracy/right wing content that's showing up on things like Peertube. it's like the unhinged days of Usenet again in many ways.

Edit: And I've noticed the downvotes, yet what I have said is still accurate. It is true that Gab moved to mastodon, for example, and there is evidence of their mindset spreading to other properties in the Fediverse.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by TremendousJudge on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:28PM (#24228505)
If you have something that's "just like youtube, but we don't delete your stuff" it shouldn't be surprising that the vast amount of content is stuff that was deleted from youtube
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by liability on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:11PM (#24229026)
I think this effect becomes a strategic defensive moat for established social media websites. Anybody who tries to compete with established players will find that their earliest adopters are the most unsavory sort, banned by other sites looking for a new home. This is the more insidious side of 'network effects.'
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by jrnichols on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:16PM (#24229091)
This was exactly my point and I am disappointed to see that I was downvoted for saying so. I am still surprised at just how swiftly Gab, for example, spread into the Fediverse.

Some of the early adopters are definitely unsavory, yet that content is what new users are going to see. Peertube/etc are still too small to protect against it, I fear.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by dredmorbius on Friday August 21, 2020 @09:33AM (#24234734)
Founding cohorts matter.

Early online worlds were (often, not always), academics and techies. Even that was often hard going to generate larger appeal. Facebook was Literally Harvard.

Random malcontents have an even higher social hill to climb.

An elite founding cohort tends to regress to the mean. An unsavory cohort ... tends to further radicalise or collapse entirely.

Fandom/hobby groups are more sustainable and often avoid pathological evolution, but rarely seem to develop mass appeal.

And all this before adding financial or business pressures.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by mercer on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:38PM (#24225096)
These services benefit from offering the viewer what they want.

I'm very cynical about any attempts to curb this. I suspect these services will go for stuff that they know, through A/B testing and whatnot, won't affect their bottom line.

Let's say they show particularly harmful and scientifically 'banana-shit' videos, but with a disclaimer in a sidebar that the content in question is 'disputed'.

I imagine viewers are much more drawn to the content and will filter out the sidebar because 1) they don't notice, 2) they don't care because it's just a sidebar, or at worst 3) the libs are trying to make us be okay with homos/feminist/etc.

A provider of said content could defend their 'wokeness', a consumer could just ignore the sidebar or use it to point out how 'the libs' control things.

Meanwhile the rest of us, if we get past the partisanship, are left wondering how such few actors got to decide on so many societally-relevant topics. Surely we've progressed beyond having to deal with feudal lords?

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by 1-more on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:54AM (#24223916)
I'm with you, except I kind of love those videos. The plywood fabri-cobbled infinite energy pendulum that will be generating boundless power "just as soon as I get the friction down" always looks so cool! The enviable commitment to craftsmanship of the backyard free energy crank ends up producing beautiful, relatable work.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by p1necone on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:55PM (#24231173)
"As soon as I get the friction down" is such a funny excuse because it's almost correct. They're so tantalizingly close to getting it.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by skinkestek on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:16AM (#24224138)
You found anyone who actually believed in it and weren't just trying to scam someone?

I always though these were prank/scam videos?

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by grugagag on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:35AM (#24224322)
It might be inadvertent scam but a lot of these people passionately believe in their ideas. A lot of the time they’re not selling anything and it couldnt be categorized as scam. It’s wishful thinking for all I care
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by 1-more on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:30AM (#24224265)
some really seem like true believers. I'm trying to find the one I'm thinking of because you're right: the search results are overwhelmingly people trying to get you off the site. The casual enthusiast having fun tinkering in the garage is fine by me; it's keeping them out of trouble and a better hobby than, say, boating. But like you I abhor the ruthless exploiter selling you a dream because having to work for a living is garbage. Whether that's the drop shipping get rich quick person, or the "buy my zero point generator" guy.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kbenson on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:05PM (#24224674)
> and a better hobby than, say, boating.

LOL, as a boat owner that hasn't been out on my boat in quite a few hears, I wholeheartedly agree. On a side note, the payment's due again...

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by mlang23 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:08PM (#24226420)
Sorry, I have to disappoint. I know at least one person IRL who believes a number of pretty weird things. Know him since school. Almost freaked me out when he told me he builds a cloudbuster for his backyard to protect against chemtrails.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by squeaky-clean on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:37PM (#24226031)
A coworker of mine, and otherwise an incredibly smart and skilled developer, bought one of these believing it was real :(
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by 1-more on Friday August 21, 2020 @11:17AM (#24235575)
There's something to be said for the average person being ideologically incoherent from my perspective, for the same reason I probably seem likewise ideologically incoherent to them!
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by p1necone on Friday August 21, 2020 @08:05PM (#24240269)
There's a tonne of people that genuinely buy in to this stuff.

All you need is some vague sense that all the "experts" are either dumber than you, or part of some big conspiracy.

Then because of that you don't even try to understand the work of those that came before you and hey presto! You're on your way to slowly rediscovering the laws of thermodynamics on your own - and until you do (if you ever do) you'll believe all sorts of wacky shit might be possible.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by liability on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:14PM (#24225700)
Seeing how inaccurate other aspects of youtube moderation are, I puzzled why anybody would want youtube to attempt this. It would inevitably end up flagging videos of kittens when their shitty autocaption system thinks "purr" means "zero point energy".
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by blisterpeanuts on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:21AM (#24224175)
That sounds like a lot of work. Can scanning software really do that effectively and fairly without a lot of false positives? Suppose for example you post a video debunking wacky anti-gravity claims, and the AI flags it because of keywords. You'll need to appeal, waste a lot of time, and maybe eventually it'll get straightened out, but the friction will be a disincentive to even produce your content at all.
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Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by faster on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:55AM (#24223922)
Serious question: what are the 'far-left' analogs of QAnon, Pizzagate, and the anti-vax and flat earth movements?

I'm sure it's just my bias, but I can't think of any right now.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by obelos on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:39PM (#24225099)
More to the point, where are the far-left analogues that get a shout out from the POTUS and have ambassadors likely to get elected to Congress in a few months?
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by manigandham on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:56PM (#24229487)
What does anti-vax and flat earth have to do with left or right?

Not everything is politically motivated. Some people are just ignorant or crazy.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by mardifoufs on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:15AM (#24224122)
Anti vax is very, very common across environmental/hippy leftist circles. Same thing for anti GMO FUD. Qanon is pretty uniquely dumb I agree, but I guess russiagate and the extreme "russians are everywhere" paranoia exhibited from some has some parallels. Yes, it's not (at all) as bad as Qanon, but go on twitter and you will see tons of borderline psychotic people accusing everyone of being a russian bot or spreading crazy conspiracy theories about a huge Russian total take over conspiracy that make 9/11 conspiracy theorists look sane in comparison.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kbenson on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:20PM (#24224843)
> borderline psychotic people accusing everyone of being a russian bot

That at least I think it a little explainable. I'm often checking different news sources about a story from Google news, and if the comment section at the bottom of foxnews.com is anything to go by, it's extremely hard to tell what see from what you would expect a Russion bot to do to stir discontent apart from trolling and/or blind ignorance of what the article was about.

In some ways believing in bots is a bit of an uplifting story. That's a person that doesn't believe their fellow citizens could actually be as disdainful and hurtful to each other as appears readily apparent. It's real tempting to buy into that sometimes.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by syshum on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:57AM (#24233800)
>> That's a person that doesn't believe their fellow citizens could actually be as disdainful and hurtful to each other as appears readily apparent. It's real tempting to buy into that sometimes.

hmmm I feel the same way I happen upon an opinion piece from the NYTimes, or a clip from MSDNC, or any of the other "the sky is falling and the fascists are at the door to destroy democracy" stories running in any mainstream news of today...

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kbenson on Friday August 21, 2020 @01:41PM (#24237102)
Well, you probably should, to some degree. It's obvious that the media of both sides of the spectrum have lost most of their ability to be nuanced and see the valid points of the other side, just as a lot of the people most active politically have.

The more you believe the other side is comprised of evil racist fascists, or evil pedophile fascists, the harder it is to give any of they opinions due consideration. It's probably not random that fascist shows up as an accusation by both sides.

The only thing that I think has worked to give me a somewhat fair accounting of an event over the last 6-12 months is to use Google news, and specifically seek out how both sides of the spectrum represent an event (that means seeking out the foxnews.com article most the time, but sometimes foxnews is the main one and I seek out how it's represented elsewhere). Often it's like reading high-school essays about that are about the same book but focused on entirely different themes of the plot. I generally have to synthesize my own accounting from them while weighting accordingly based on the news and the source.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by CancelCancel256 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:29PM (#24226713)
- "Sex differences like career preferences taught by society and have no biological basis"

- "There's no scientific basis for race"

These positions are so entrenched that disagreeing with them publicly is to risk your career. But they're also the product of ignorance. In the world of biology, the opposite positions of these are fairly uncontroversial views. (see [1] for an example of the first)

Using a throw-away account for obvious reasons.

[1] https://quillette.com/2019/05/03/selective-blank-slatism-and...

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by syshum on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:02AM (#24224000)
They go by many names, but there is a Strong undercurrent of "Capitalism Bad we must have socialism" crowd on the far left that hate individual freedoms and rights and prefer Group rights and entitlements. That promote equality of outcome not equality of opportunity. That reject merit and instead want to define people based on dynamics of intersectionality.

>>AntiVax - Flat Earth

To Attribute them only to far right tells me you do not really understand these groups. They are not left or right politically, especially anti-vax for which many have far-left economic and social positions

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by arp242 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:05AM (#24224027)
A different/wrong/naïve political ideology is not the same as "Hilary Clinton is literally raping children in the basement of a pizza restaurant".
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by wolco on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:09PM (#24224733)
I think the story was the owner of said pizza joint had underaged pictures on one of his social media profiles and was using the place to arrange Epstein trips. Bill Clinton was a visitor to the island where these arragements happened. Hilary Clinton broke the law and setup a private email server that was hacked.

There is a movie on netflix about Epstein the island.

This is a news story about a series of events. It is not the same as a political ideology.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by not2b on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:54PM (#24226243)
No, you are libeling a completely innocent pizza joint owner. Please stop. Someone fell for those false storied and shot up the place, and fortunately no one was killed. The made-up "Pizzagate" story has nothing to do with the very real Epstein crimes (and Donald Trump had a closer and longer association with Epstein than Bill Clinton). Young girls were abused on Epstein's island. They were not abused in the basement of a pizza place, as the original story went; it didn't even have a basement, as the gunman who was all set to rescue the nonexistent victims discovered.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by brigandish on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:34PM (#24229282)
To recount a fact, in this case a false allegation while noting it was false ("I think the story was"), to the best of your ability, especially without malice, is not libel.

The US standards for defamation are explained very well here https://law.stackexchange.com/a/132/11158

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by wolco on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:09PM (#24227374)
The hacked emails pointed to the pizza joint. The social media profile of the owner did have inappropiate images and support for groups who support inappropriate relationships.

Someone thinking girls were locked in the basement and deciding to storm the place is a sign of a mental health issue. But his actions doesn't make the known facts false.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by ycadict on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:31PM (#24229254)
1) The place has no basement 2) He did not have in appropriate pictures 3) The "Emails" where all about going to have pizza and some turd burger made a connection to something that wasn't there" 4) that's all on netflix too
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by wolco on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:17PM (#24230148)
2) He did have them on his social media profile and he was in support of a group that wanted more man/kid relationships. This wasn't part of the movie but I remember this going down on reddit.

I agree with all of your other points.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by dataduck on Friday August 21, 2020 @05:08AM (#24233314)
How about "literally everything wrong with the world is caused by an evil conspiracy of cis-het white men?" It's a common belief and not less crazy.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by devtul on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:43PM (#24225174)
>different/wrong/naïve political ideology

Folks with this "naive" political ideology are shooting at people and kicking peoples head on the streets. Many innocent have died in the riots, much more have lost their business to looting.

I don't see conservatives having a hard time condemning the pizza place shooter or any other similar act, but I see a lot of leftists rationalism and even denying altogether the bad actions of their bad people. They even cheer their bad actors on.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by IanDrake on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:42PM (#24227839)
In a time of deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by GoblinSlayer on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:47AM (#24232944)
There's no difference, many believers doesn't make the idea sane.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by throwaway3699 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:12AM (#24224096)
People literally believe Trump is worse than Hitler. How is that not just as bad?
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by devtul on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:35PM (#24225040)
I love how your comment is grayed out with a child comment saying they never heard rhetoric like that in their leftist circles.

At this point I can only assume ill intent, since we are bombarded daily with rhetoric likening any action by the POTUS and his admin to something nazist.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by arp242 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:16AM (#24224134)
I've spent significant amounts of time in left-wing circles and I've never seen anyone say anything close to that. Perhaps there are a few people on the extreme fringes who think so – you can always find one or two nutcases – but they don't represent anything near the mainstream.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by throwaway3699 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:35AM (#24224320)
CNN literally aired this phrase on television: https://mobile.twitter.com/ReaganBattalion/status/1165666060...

If I were to go into work saying I supported Trump, I risk getting fired, because of rhetoric like this.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by input_sh on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:41AM (#24224393)
Can we stop pretending that CNN has anything to do with the "far left"?
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by throwaway3699 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:57PM (#24230413)
The mountain of evidence disagrees with you.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by jhomedall on Friday August 21, 2020 @12:31PM (#24236338)
As a non-American, I find the idea of CNN being far-left to be pretty comical.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by input_sh on Friday August 21, 2020 @03:25AM (#24232832)
The only mountain of evidence I see is the one pointing to the fact that you have no clue what the far left is.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by edgyquant on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:35PM (#24231048)
Let's see this evidence
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by throwaway3699 on Friday August 21, 2020 @10:38AM (#24235245)
CNN promotes BLM/Antifa (the rioters, not just the peaceful protesters). Both groups say on their website that they are Marxist organisations and want to destroy capitalism and the Nuclear family. CNN supporting such a goal is inherently far left.

I don't know if they do this for ideological reasons, or if the outrage machine makes them a lot of money. My guess would be the latter.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by snypher on Sunday August 23, 2020 @01:24AM (#24249729)
Antifa isn't a centralised group, let alone do they have a website that speaks on their behalf.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by edgyquant on Friday August 21, 2020 @02:47PM (#24237710)
CNN sympathizes with their cause not their organizations.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by throwaway3699 on Friday August 21, 2020 @06:03PM (#24239345)
I do too, but CNN are clearly turning a blind eye to the organisations behind the cause. I will actually ascribe this to most major networks, not just CNN.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kmonsen on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:05PM (#24224680)
They really do not say it at all, never mind literally. The twitter poster is using quotes "", but what they quote is never said. And the speaker specifically is arguing against calling Trump anything, and says we should speak back against policies and stop with name calling.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by arp242 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:46AM (#24224453)
That Tweet is a misquote though. He said "he may be responsible for many more deaths" rather than "he may have killed". Very big difference. And he certainly never said that "Trump is literally worse than Hitler". Considering he brings up climate change immediately afterwards it seems he mostly means Trump's persistent war on anything that will slow this down, which will (and already is) causing major problems. A comparison with Mao's incompetence isn't complete inaccurate actually. I do agree it's not helpful, and comparisons to Hitler and Stalin are certainly wildly inappropriate.

But some random guy saying something silly and offensive in one (live?) interview is still not the same as a set of very specific completely baseless allegations in the right-wing conspiracies theories.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by pjc50 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:35AM (#24224319)
I've certainly seen people say that, but never seriously. Of course someone will now claim that all the Qanon stuff is just joking, like Alex Jones said that libelling the Sandy Hook survivors was "entertainment".
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by syshum on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:10AM (#24224075)
Ok how about "the Milwaukee police covering up for a sex traffic ring"
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by arp242 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:23AM (#24224196)
I don't know anything about this, so I can't comment. But sex trafficking and cover-ups do happen; see: Jimmy Savile, Catholic church, Epstein, Bill Cosby, etc.

From a very quick search it seems that the police didn't take several cases serious, and were at the very least rather lax in their attitude. In other words, there's at least an actual crime and at least some smoke. It's not something invented from nothing.

And this is the real danger of this sort of politicized conspiracy bullshit: now this is automatically seen as "politically motivated" instead of actually looking at the matter at hand. People who spread pizzagate-esque conspiracy theories or enable them are very much harming the anti-paedophilia efforts.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by baddox on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:25AM (#24224211)
Maybe I’m just out of the loop, but I haven’t heard that one, and I find it hard to believe it’s anywhere near as widespread as QAnon.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by AndrewUnmuted on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:31PM (#24227670)
You're correct about the antivax folks, but I do think flat earth is largely a right-leaning phenomenon. That aside...

> equality of outcome not equality of opportunity

Equality of opportunity is no greater thing to cherish. Opportunity comes from circumstance, and therefore this equates to wishing for equality in circumstances. Boiling this down to its fundamentals, this would mean important life decisions like whether to have children (and how many), what kind of hobbies and preferences people have, etc., would be left to the whims of balancing acts by the state.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by GoblinSlayer on Friday August 21, 2020 @04:05AM (#24233023)
Ability comes from circumstance, opportunity comes from free will.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by predicating on Thursday August 20, 2020 @03:14PM (#24227434)
Right now people actually think Trump is stealing mailboxes to prevent people from voting.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by CamperBob2 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @04:39PM (#24228654)
Maybe he shouldn't have admitted on TV that he was trying to undermine the USPS in advance of the election, then.

He's either a troll, an idiot, or a saboteur. This isn't debatable in the slightest. Which of these explanations do you prefer?

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kuzimoto on Friday August 21, 2020 @09:19AM (#24234632)
> He's either a troll, an idiot, or a saboteur.

I'm not sure why it has to be one of those. I mean maybe slightly an idiot because what he is saying is likely not good for him politically, but not entirely wrong. You make it sound like the USPS doesn't have any issues.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by CamperBob2 on Friday August 21, 2020 @10:52PM (#24241158)
The USPS is not supposed to be a profitable business, any more than the Army or the State Department or the prison system is. It is a Constitutionally-sanctioned organization, operating under the premise that universal mail delivery is a valid government concern.

To the extent the USPS "has issues," as you put it, it is because Congress has consistently set them up to fail. Congress is free to shut down the USPS or kneecap it if they want, but the executive is not. Certainly not to serve their own corrupt purposes.

Just something else to add to the list of things Republicans would scream bloody murder about if a Democratic president were doing it.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by pjc50 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:34AM (#24224309)
The far left ecosystem doesn't work in anything like the same way, and doesn't get the push from youtube, but if you want a boogeyman we can agree on the actual Trotskyite SWP (Socialist Workers Party) have a habit of ruining any left-wing movement they get allowed into. Plus, like a lot of close knit social groups, companies and institutions, a sexual assault scandal ("Comrade Delta").

You won't see them recommended on Youtube. I think there are a few "tankies" out there though who also annoy the mainstream left. Named after people who supported the Soviet tanks suppressing revolt in Hungary.

Israel/Palestine politics has a big risk of going from getting outraged about things that actually happened to things that didn't, plus conflating the faults of the government and military of Israel with blame on all Jewish people (which is antisemitic).

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by DanBC on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:55AM (#24224563)
TERFs, especially British TERFS, reach QANON levels of batshit idiocy.

https://twitter.com/CaseyExplosion/status/129388933700478566...

> "Gender critical" is just Qanon for British women

For some examples: https://medium.com/@KatyMontgomerie/jameela-jamil-josie-long...

In the UK there's a lot of people who are far left who are pushing anti-vaccination, anti 5G, anti-mask "plandemic" KBF garbage.

The violent groups do tend be be far right though.

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Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by pgalvin on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:25AM (#24224212)
Not gonna throw my hat into the ring with my own opinion... but isn’t this totally off-topic? We’re talking about YouTube being used as a platform for spreading misinformation/conspiracies/etc. and you’re talking about sexualisation of children on Netflix and are clearly jumping at the opportunity to share your political opinions, and also personally attack and accuse another commenter. Have your political opinions, I won’t address them, but jesus christ don’t be such an ass about it by attacking people in unrelated discussions.

Edit: I’ll also add that the original commenter was deliberately vague (didn’t mention “Trump” or specific political groups, for example) to avoid controversy and you come in attempting to bulldoze that by mentioning BLM.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by pjc50 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:26AM (#24224222)
> How do you feel about the oversexualization of children in such Netflix programs such as Cuties. Are you willing to defend the most innocent and vulnerable of society? I highly doubt it.

I've seen that go by on Twitter and am not impressed .. should I call for it to be cancelled?

(Mind you, a stock feminist answer might be that the Netflix series is just a representation of a whole rotten child beauty pageant culture which in turn derives from the sexist adult beauty pageant culture, and that nobody should be sexualised without their consent - which cannot appropriately be given by people who are underage.)

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by kbenson on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:39PM (#24225111)
> and that nobody should be sexualised without their consent - which cannot appropriately be given by people who are underage

Except that we expect parents to be stewards for our children and give consent on their behalf, except in cases where we've decided that parents cannot be trusted to do so and we outlaw that activity for children (sex, alcohol, etc), or that consent does not fully convey the situation (a parent forcing an unwilling child to get a haircut is not viewed the same as a child forcing an unwilling child to play a full contact sport which is also not viewed the same as a parent forcing a child to get into a fistfight on the street).

Where do parents sexualizing their children for television fall into this? I dunno. If they were doing it for an individual that came over and paid in person, we'd have some real probing questions, but it's okay when it's on TV for a national audience?

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by untog on Thursday August 20, 2020 @11:39AM (#24224372)
I'm sorry but this comment is both wildly off-topic and needlessly inflammatory, suggesting the OP is fine with the over-sexualisation of children? Come on. We're two steps away from reciting QAnon posts here.

But in an attempt to bring things vaguely back on topic: I'm actually curious to know if left-wing movements have been aided by YouTube and to what extent. Its effect on the right is very well documented but on the left I've tended to see the outrage on Twitter, Instagram and Facebook more.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by ycadict on Thursday August 20, 2020 @05:39PM (#24229335)
Being a lefty I would say no not really (GMO and anti-vaxxers are on both sides), that being said ... I believe the left has really turned the heat up on cancel culture, and that has had a massive impact on discourse.
Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by wolco on Thursday August 20, 2020 @12:25PM (#24224902)
Not in an informational way the way the right does.

You do see a small effect through raw footage videos. Shaming people videos.

The left owns the mass media (fox not withstanding) so the right needs a video outlet. Radio takes care of audio.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by untog on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:15PM (#24225719)
> The left owns the mass media

Not to get too far down a rabbit hole here but the OP was referring to the "far left", which certainly doesn't own the mass media. If anything, centrists own the mass media.

Re:Moving from YouTube to PeerTube by p1necone on Thursday August 20, 2020 @09:58PM (#24231190)
Generally when American Trump/Republican supporters (I won't say right wingers, because I'm sure there's a large portion of conservatives who are not represented by the current corrupt administration) refer to the "far left" they mean the center and regular left. Their personal overton window is just so skewed that they think anything left of Trump is extremist.