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Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by brlewis on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:41PM (#24216128)
> Cloth and non-medical disposable masks are not considered protective

> anti-maskers threw enough of a fit about fairly comfortable ones

How's this for a solution? Make masks with inhalation valves. You can find masks for dusty work with exhalation valves. It wouldn't be too big a change to reverse those valves. The lost protection against inbound particles isn't much, and the gain would be near elimination of the inherent discomfort of re-breathing CO2. I'm not an anti-masker, but I notice I'm a lot more comfortable with my mask off.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by ceejayoz on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:43PM (#24216146)
> The lost protection against inbound particles isn't much...

Why would it not be impacted? You'd be breathing in unfiltered air, and that's the main method of transmission.

> the gain would be near elimination of the inherent discomfort of re-breathing CO2

Which isn't really the comfort problem with N95s; they're just tight and hot.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by brlewis on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @04:57PM (#24216333)
> The lost protection against inbound particles isn't much...

Why would it not be impacted? You'd be breathing in unfiltered air, and that's the main method of transmission.

It would be impacted. You'd lose 100% of that benefit. But 100% is still not much.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by VectorLock on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @05:24PM (#24216744)
>You'd lose 100% of that benefit. But 100% is still not much.

What would even be the point then? That'd just be reduced to obstinate anti-maskers wearing lace 'masks.'

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by jlokier on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @07:04PM (#24217897)
The GPP describes an inhalation value.

The mask still protects other people from transmission by you.

Anti-maskers wearing lace 'masks' does not protect other people.

They are completely different, and that is the main point of mask wearing for the general public - to protect each other by reducing the chance of ourselves transmitting it if we have it.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by VectorLock on Thursday August 20, 2020 @02:16PM (#24226519)
Protecting others is the main point but protecting yourself is still very important and shouldn't be discarded.

You're pretty much back at ubiquitous and widely available surgical style masks at that point.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by Aeolun on Thursday August 20, 2020 @08:30AM (#24222523)
That’s uh. Silly. It defeats the entire purpose of a (nearly) sealed mask.

If you want to do that you can just wear a surgical mask instead.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by brlewis on Thursday August 20, 2020 @10:55AM (#24223925)
Your comment assumes the entire purpose of a (nearly) sealed mask is to protect the wearer from incoming droplets or particles. I don't understand where this ignorance comes from; it's been widely known and repeated for some time that masks do much more to protect others from infection from the wearer. There's only a small amount of protection for the wearer from infection from others.

An inhalation valve preserves the mask's primary purpose by closing off during exhalation. It gives up a small amount of protection for the wearer, but obviously a lot of people aren't interested in that anyway and refuse to wear masks. With an inhalation valve they could at least protect others.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by Aeolun on Thursday August 20, 2020 @07:12PM (#24230108)
> Your comment assumes the entire purpose of a (nearly) sealed mask is to protect the wearer from incoming droplets or particles

It doesn’t just assume it. It’s the whole point of the masks.

If your aim is just to prevent making people sick, a surgical mask is just fine (exhibit A, normal doctors).

If your aim is to prevent getting sick yourself, a N95 respirator is a better choice (exhibit B, doctors treating COVID patients).

An inhalation valve does less to protect other people, because the expelled air still has to go somewhere, and will just blow out of the sides of the mask. It could theoretically go through the mask material if it was thin enough, but there’s probably too much pressure inside and it’ll burst out the sides.

That in reverse is the whole idea for masks with an exhalation valve. Breathing in creates negative pressure inside the mask, so air gets pulled inside through the mask. When breathing out the valve opens and releases the extra pressure without blowing out the sides (not really a problem per-se, but would compromise your protection).

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by brlewis on Sunday August 23, 2020 @10:30AM (#24252197)
> An inhalation valve does less to protect other people, because the expelled air still has to go somewhere, and will just blow out of the sides of the mask. It could theoretically go through the mask material if it was thin enough, but there’s probably too much pressure inside and it’ll burst out the sides

No, an inhalation valve makes 0.0% difference here. Here's a simple mental exercise to understand better. Imagine two people side by side. They are wearing identical masks, except one has an inhalation valve. They breathe in, pause, breathe out. In your mind, freeze the frame at the pause between breathing in and breathing out. At that moment, what's the difference between the two? Nothing. Now watch them breathe out. What's the difference? Still nothing.

Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by donor20 on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:06PM (#24225599)
Where is this coming from that only a small amount of protection is provided to wearer. For a while I kept on posting studies showing the effectiveness of masks in protection infection by wearer, but it's hopeless - somehow public health authorities have gotten everything so muddled in folks minds.
Re:Secret gyms and the economics of prohibition by brlewis on Thursday August 20, 2020 @01:23PM (#24225835)
You answered your own question.

> Where is this coming from that only a small amount of protection is provided to wearer [...] public health authorities

I clicked the HN link to your comments. I couldn't quickly find studies, just a mention of Korea having success with KN94 masks. I think it's safe to repost them now without being repetitive.