If you have the opportunity, try comparing your ICE experience with a manual transmission ICE.

Many modern ICE cars are effectively fly-by-wire with eco-junk-softwware in between the accelerator and engine.

Manual transmissions would likely not have the lag that you're experiencing, but I definitely recognize what you're saying w.r.t. torque curves.

I'm not challenging ICE v. Electric, but instead attempting to clarify that there is quite a wide variation in ICE-behavior that is less present in a manual transmission ICE car.

Moving from a manual ICE to electric, it's still night and day. And the manual felt like night and day compared to a lot of automatics...

I own a ICE car with a manual gearbox. The lag is there. The engine needs time to find his torque at low RPM so you need to drop one or two gears if you want some power. Mine doesn't have a turbo, but when I drive manual cars with Turbo, the turbo lag is huge. A manual gearbox doesn't fix this problem. You may drop gears before you need the power, to overtake someone for example, because you plan ahead and want the full power, but that's slow.

And even when I do it fast, I'm much much slower to manipulate the clutch and change gears compared to a modern automatic gearbox.

I doubt that most people can operate a manual transmission significantly better than the "eco-junk software" that controls a modern automatic. Almost nobody is a race driver, but everybody can feel the nicer behavior of an electric engine.

Your statement is utterly incorrect.

1) Electric v. ICE? No contest. Electric wins. Not at dispute.

2) "Manual Transmission" v. "Eco-Junk Software". Please see the following: https://www.motorbiscuit.com/does-sport-mode-really-do-anyth...

At a minimum, some "fly-by-wire" automatic ICE cars default to an "eco" mode which significantly impacts throttle (gas) responsiveness.

No doubt ECO mode does something well, and no doubt that modern automatic transmissions shift well.

My original statement was: "Electric (very responsive) => Manual (...) => Automatic (perceived unresponsiveness of ICE engines)"

Almost nobody is a race car driver, but the fly-by-wire in some ICE cars definitely affects driving feel in a way that is different than both manual transmission ICE and electric cars.

Well engineered ICE cars are the opposite of unresponsive. Gear shifts are in the order of 100ms. Turbocharged engines require some revs to get moving, but good engines rev so fast that unless you have no idea what you're doing this isn't a big problem.

Electric cars are like synthetic computer benchmarks - amazing on paper, but to actually drive? On a real road, with corners and a competent driver? So, so much worse. We'll get there, in time - some hybrids are really great, but we need to work a lot on battery weight before a pure electric car can match an ICE/hybrid car for real world performance. Weight always has been and always will be the enemy, and right now a tesla is closer to a truck than a sports car in terms of weight. The day will hopefully come, but today is not that day.

100ms of gear shifts is 100ms more than an eletric car without multiple gears.

Engines need time to rev fast, that's the problem yes. I don't know what you mean by good engineered ICE engine because I don't drive the worst at all and it's not good. Do you mean the super sporty 600kW ICE engines you find in supercars that cost a fortune to maintain and pollutes a lot?

Hybrids are shit in my humble opinion. You have the worst of both worlds, and not the best.

Weight is a problem but weight distribution is important too. And yes Tesla cars are heavy, as is tradition with American cars : a lot of torque and power, heavy, shitty brakes.

But I think that any car today is much faster than what you need. The roads are not a race.