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Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by xdavidliu on Monday August 17, 2020 @07:30PM (#24193524)
> The core of nihilism is that since the indifferent universe is without meaning humans have to give it meaning.

I'm not that familiar with nihilism, but I'm rather surprised that "humans have to give it meaning" is part of the core. That's somewhat non-obvious to me; intuitively I would have expected nihilists to believe that meaning cannot exist.

Can you point me toward some sources that say nihilists actually believe that humans are capable of creating meaning?

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by coldtea on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:20PM (#24194339)
>Can you point me toward some sources that say nihilists actually believe that humans are capable of creating meaning?

That's a big part of existentialism (Sartre, Camus, etc), in which life has no inherent meaning, and it's rather empty existence, and it's up to the person to make any meaning for themselves.

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by ajslater on Wednesday August 19, 2020 @09:53PM (#24219071)
Existentialism's conclusion is often nihilism: Life has no meaning. Absurdism is an extension to that: Yes, but you may create your own.
Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by andreilys on Monday August 17, 2020 @07:49PM (#24193657)
"This - is now my way: where is yours?' Thus I answered those who asked me 'the way'. For the way - does not exist!"

- Nietzsche in Thus Spoke Zarathustra

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by yters on Monday August 17, 2020 @07:42PM (#24193610)
i question that too

what marks humans out from the rest of the meaningless universe that suddenly blesses them as meaning bearers? almost seems to imply some sort of religious idea that humans are not a part of the ubiverse

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by coldtea on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:21PM (#24194348)
You don't need to create a concrete meaning, something that is "objectively" meaning, etc.

Just a good-enough-for-you meaning.

>almost seems to imply some sort of religious idea that humans are not a part of the ubiverse

Well, they're not like other parts, in that they have meta-cognition, and a lot of it.

Planets and black holes and ants don't wonder about meaning.

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by andreilys on Monday August 17, 2020 @07:55PM (#24193699)
We've been seeking answers to big questions like where did we come from, why are we here, and where are we going, for a very long time.

Now whether that those answers are accurate is a different question. But I think it's clear that humans crave meaning, and are happy to relegate meaning-making to third party institutions such as organized religion or the media.

Re:Mindfulness and meditation can worsen depression and anxiety by MacsHeadroom on Monday August 17, 2020 @11:55PM (#24195100)
Another way to understand it is that the universe is truly "objectless" because "objects" are merely concepts in the mind of the "subject."

Non-human subjective experiencers also imagine meaningful objects in their own minds. There's nothing special about humans other than their ability to communicate with other humans.