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Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by zaksoup on Saturday August 15, 2020 @09:12PM (#24173933)
I'm not the OC but many of my friends and peers are trans and I find "agender" to be the most useful descriptor to myself.

One thing I've noted is that once you start to identify the ways in which gender is fundamentally a social construct the link with autistic/neurodivergent folks makes much more sense. Anybody who struggles to instinctively navigate social norms and behaviors will also struggle to instinctively navigate gendered norms and behaviors, simply because the two are inextricable.

Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by klipt on Saturday August 15, 2020 @10:36PM (#24174407)
> Anybody who struggles to instinctively navigate social norms and behaviors will also struggle to instinctively navigate gendered norms and behaviors, simply because the two are inextricable.

But if masculine and feminine gender roles are equally difficult to navigate, that doesn't explain why transitioning would help. You'd just be swapping out one difficult gender role with another.

Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by seba_dos1 on Saturday August 15, 2020 @10:49PM (#24174494)
They may be "equally difficult to navigate" in a grand scheme of things, but they're probably not equally difficult for a particular person. Everyone got their own set of traits and interests that may make adhering to a particular gender role easier than the others.
Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by klipt on Saturday August 15, 2020 @11:58PM (#24174930)
So that would imply that non autistic people may also feel like their brains don't match their bodies, but since they're better at navigating gender roles, they're more likely to just adapt around the dysphoria instead of transitioning?
Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by zaksoup on Sunday August 16, 2020 @12:15AM (#24175035)
I think this is exactly right.
Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by closeparen on Sunday August 16, 2020 @04:59PM (#24181243)
Maybe a neurotypical boy who is born with predominantly feminine traits gets them overridden by social learning, but without that mechanism they would persist.
Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by Garlef on Sunday August 16, 2020 @08:01AM (#24177092)
> But if masculine and feminine gender roles are equally difficult to navigate

Suicide rates are much higher among males. So maybe this assumption does not hold.

Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by selectodude on Sunday August 16, 2020 @08:42AM (#24177284)
Suicide rates are higher for men, attempted suicide rates are higher for women. Men just tend to use more successful methods in their attempts.
Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by scarmig on Sunday August 16, 2020 @09:05AM (#24177430)
Even within a given category of method of suicide, men are more successful. If you look at countries where gun suicides are pretty much nonexistent, men still "successfully" complete suicide at a rate approximately 10x that of women.

That should be taken as a sign that "suicide attempt" numbers shouldn't be taken at face value as evidence that women have it harder than men.

Re:Elevated rates of autism in transgender and gender-divers... by trans-stealth on Saturday August 15, 2020 @09:35PM (#24174067)
That pretty much describes my relationship with gender.

I was undiagnosed as a kid, gender was confusing, different standards were confusing. I just didn't care, among other reasons, I decided to transition.

Very happy, but still have an idea of how I would navigate things different... but that's life, right?