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Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by gvjddbnvdrbv on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:35PM (#24170600)
Isn't it rather exaggerated? Doesn't agriculture as a whole cause around 11% of emissions but car driving and heating/cooling causes around 30%?

So if we all stopped eating meat we could cut emissions but a couple of % but if we all stopped driving and turned our heating down/up we could actually make a real difference?

Edited with real numbers from https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by tito on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:40PM (#24170651)
Wish there was a good tool to give you an answer on this, or a way to poke around and be curious. http://energyliteracy.com/ gets close but it's USA only.

This article suggests livestock greenhouse gas emissions are equivalent to the entire transportation sector. Basically because methane and carbon dioxide have different effects on warming: https://www.ecowatch.com/which-is-worse-for-the-planet-beef-...

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by cj on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:48PM (#24170713)
I found that infographic very enlightening. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by gvjddbnvdrbv on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:45PM (#24170689)
I have absolutely no idea what anything means in that chart.

If you have a good source I would be delighted to read it.

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by cj on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:46PM (#24170699)
Quick googling: “ Livestock takes up nearly 80% of global agricultural land, yet produces less than 20% of the world’s supply of calories”

It’s not just about emissions. It’s also about the massive amount of land required to produce meat vs. crops for human consumption.

Re: cutting out meat vs. driving, only one of those activities is necessary to survive for the very high percentage of the population who don’t have access to public transit.

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by jschwartzi on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:53PM (#24170771)
And in particular it's about the amount of virgin forest being cut down in places like Brazil to satisfy the global export market for beef cattle.
Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by glogla on Saturday August 15, 2020 @04:37PM (#24172170)
But how much of that agricultural land is pastures unsuitable for growing things for human consumption?

You can probably give corn to people instead of cows in the US (yay more HFCS!) but you can't ask the sheep and goat herders to graze themselves.

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by jacobr1 on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:10PM (#24172418)
Also the vast scrubland used for ranching in the western-US is not a great place for agriculture due to water availability.
Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by Ma8ee on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:46PM (#24170691)
Agriculture causes around 10%, while transportation, including freight and flights causes around 30%.

Among the most effective things you can do yourself with minimal impact of your way of life is choosing to eat less meat.

Edit: the numbers I remembered was for Europe. Globally food production is 25%

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by gvjddbnvdrbv on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:47PM (#24170707)
These are USA numbers correct? My numbers are whole world numbers.
Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by astura on Saturday August 15, 2020 @01:56PM (#24170795)
Most I can tell your numbers are just entirely made up, I've never heard of any serious study ever estimating global green house gas emissions from agriculture under 10%.

https://www.c2es.org/content/international-emissions/

>Globally, the primary sources of greenhouse gas emissions are electricity and heat (31%), agriculture (11%), transportation (15%), forestry (6%) and manufacturing (12%). Energy production of all types accounts for 72 percent of all emissions.

Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by gvjddbnvdrbv on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:07PM (#24170904)
Thanks I updated my OP with those numbers.
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Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by dang on Saturday August 15, 2020 @02:30PM (#24171110)
Please don't start on this theme again. Your posts are fine otherwise, and we value you as a user! But this was a big problem before and it's best if it doesn't start up again.
Re:Adding a metre between meals boosts vegetarian appeal – s... by dr_hooo on Saturday August 15, 2020 @05:27PM (#24172559)
Even in your exam it's not "either/or"- we need to get everything down a notch because realistically we not getting to 0% anywhere