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Re:What's the future of Servo? by aquova on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:13AM (#24157466)
To jump on this, what is the scope of Servo anymore? It was originally supposed to eventually replace Gecko, but last I heard they had shifted to simply moving the more stable parts into Firefox with Quantum. What is the end goal of the project now, even before the recent layoffs?
Re:What's the future of Servo? by cptskippy on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:38AM (#24157753)
> It was originally supposed to eventually replace Gecko, but last I heard they had shifted to simply moving the more stable parts into Firefox with Quantum.

Those don't sound like incompatible approaches. The monolith Gecko would be difficult to replace whole hog, a modular surgical approach seems more realistic.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by brundolf on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:02PM (#24160377)
I've heard from people close to the team that Servo was never intended to replace Gecko wholesale, but was intended to be an exploratory research project where new browser engine innovations could happen and eventually trickle down to Gecko piecemeal.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by dblohm7 on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:05PM (#24162612)
As a Gecko developer, I would agree with this.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by dathinab on Friday August 14, 2020 @09:32AM (#24157698)
I think it kinda didn't had an end goal anymore.

They had detected the most profitable improvements and moved them over to Firefox.

So I'm not really surprised about them not continuing servo, even though it had been grate.

I'm more worried about some of the other layoff.

Further it feels a bit like they got in a place where they financially couldn't go on like before and fanned out to get more revenue streams but if that fails we might be down to chrome + safari, which would be horrible, tbh.

If it really comes to that we might even want to try to push the EU to get financially involved or something.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by dthul on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:11AM (#24158178)
Someone on Twitter mentioned Servo's "Layout 2020" project which would have ensured that Firefox's layout engine stays competitive: https://github.com/servo/servo/wiki/Layout-2020
Re:What's the future of Servo? by Brakenshire on Friday August 14, 2020 @01:46PM (#24160900)
A parallel layout engine would be a hugely important change for the web. Would mean the possibility of changing or animating layout relevant properties (which is almost all of them) without recalculating the entire page. This is the most important limitation for web UIs.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by wongarsu on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:25PM (#24159912)
>if that fails we might be down to chrome + safari

Safari isn't available on Windows, and Google doesn't want a situation where they are the only significant browser on the most popular desktop operating system. Google is scared of antitrust action, getting another monopoly is the last thing they want.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by hinkley on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:51AM (#24158654)
This is the problem with the low hanging fruit strategy. Everyone gets behind the 20% improvement. Almost nobody gets behind the 1% improvement. Those only happen by force of will (some developer doing it despite being told not to).

In the end you are 80% of the way to the goal and the last 20% is politically insurmountable. This is, IME, a primary driver for the Lava Flow Antipattern.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by coldtea on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:05AM (#24158110)
What's the scope of Gecko/Firefox anymore?

If they don't invest in a new engine, and given that the old engine is not much to compare with Blink or even Webkit, what's left for them? Pocket and some BS VPN service?

Re:What's the future of Servo? by acdha on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:25AM (#24158346)
> given that the old engine is not much to compare with Blink or even Webkit

Do you have a citation supporting that? The old engine compares quite favorably with Chrome and Mobile Safari.

https://caniuse.com/#compare=firefox+79,chrome+84,safari+13....

https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es2016plus/

Re:What's the future of Servo? by idoubtit on Friday August 14, 2020 @04:31PM (#24162891)
> The old engine compares quite favorably with Chrome

The provided links only compare API coverage, while other domains (performance, security...) are important. Even so, Firefox is clearly trailing Chrome, its main desktop competitor. It's not surprising since I've heard that the latter has much more man-power. And the gap will increase.

I've looked at CanIUse, ignoring the features which are implemented but disabled by default. Chromes lacks 5 features the Firefox has. The biggest two are MathML and VirtualReality, which were both available as experimental features in past Chrome versions but were removed for lack of interest in publishing or maintaining them.

On the other side, Firefox lacks 25-30 features that Chrome has. A few of them are minor, but most of them seem complex.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by randall on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:08AM (#24158145)
This could keep the company alive though. If they lose their goog contract (which is 99% certain) they will have very little revenue.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by dineshdb on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:16AM (#24158234)
On the contrary, google contract has been rumored to be 99.99% certain (company sources).
Re:What's the future of Servo? by yashap on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:23AM (#24158315)
Re:What's the future of Servo? by edoceo on Friday August 14, 2020 @11:36AM (#24159283)
Re:What's the future of Servo? by infogulch on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:10PM (#24159753)
Right on the heels of Mozilla's announcement to shutdown research on a promising potential next gen browser engine. Hm. I wonder if the renewal deal had an impact on which programs Mozilla cut besides raw funding.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by sroussey on Friday August 14, 2020 @12:59PM (#24160322)
Likely the other way around. They didn’t get as much as they wanted so they reprioritized and made cuts. Deals don’t happen and end in a press release the next day.
Re:What's the future of Servo? by phonon on Friday August 14, 2020 @07:55PM (#24164631)
According to this[1], they got about the same annual amount.

"our source told us Moz will likely pocket $400m to $450m a year between now and 2023 from the arrangement, citing internal discussions held earlier this year."

[1]https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search...

Re:What's the future of Servo? by rswail on Saturday August 15, 2020 @12:20AM (#24165902)
So on the basis of "earning" $1.6 billion(!) Mozilla is "refocusing" on a bookmarking service, a VPN and a weird sorta "social VR" (whatever the fuck that is).

What the hell are they doing with the rest of the money? It should be "paid back" to the shareholder (the foundation) as tax free dividends that are kept in a fund for the purposes of that foundation.

Re:What's the future of Servo? by jacquesm on Friday August 14, 2020 @10:47AM (#24158599)
Google needs Mozilla as much as Microsoft needed Apple and will be happy to fund them one way or another if only to look good in the eyes of the regulators. And it's pocket change to Google.