"Their customers are not your right"

When did I become Google's property to trade and bargain with? Because it sounds like i didnt buy the phone, Google bought me.

You're not an Android user, you're an Android used.

It's kind of a shame the Ubuntu phone never really materialized. At one point a while back I put off a much needed upgrade from a nearly dead phone for about 6 months because their phone was supposed to be "any day now".

I think the OS is still kicking around and technically not dead yet, but it's really hard to believe that it would be able to break into the OEM side of things at this point. If Microsoft couldn't buy their way in to it I don't see much hope for a group that wouldn't be paying massive amounts of money to handset manufacturers and carriers to support the development & deployment. Though I'd be happy if it were simply possible to flash it onto most Android handsets with full hardware compatibility.

You might be interested in the PinePhone https://www.pine64.org/pinephone/

Here it is running phosh: https://youtu.be/mjaJJ6o-mbM

It's pretty close to being a usable GNOME Linux phone

That's pretty great! I hope it gets some momentum and matures a bit. I don't insist on flag-ship level specs & polish, but this it looks a little rough around the edges for my taste.

> Their customers are not your right

> For example,you are not forbidden from developing for some random Linux distro

> They did not build their trust and ecosystem for free,so you should'nt have access to them for free

> 30% is not unreasonable,costs can be managed,since you are selling a digital product

If only Microsoft had been smart enough to demand a 30% cut of Netscape sales instead of going through all that trouble to create IE.

You're not quite seeing the point: This is not a developer trying to use their ecosystem for free, not in the OnePlus example: This is a developer saying "Thanks but no thanks, we'll choose a different ecosystem"

And Google inserts itself into the relationship between the business partner for that other ecosystem and bullies them into cancelling the deal.

Off course it's important to keep in mind that as of right now, we have only Epic's highly self-interested interpretation of events, and the truth may be far different. It seems LG for example had a pre-existing contract with Google to not do the sort of thing it was about to do with Epic.

It's also worth remembeting that contracts forbidding bundling by OEMs got MS into antitrust trouble in the 90s for locking BeOS out of the market.

Ah, that's right, and excellent point!

It's all negotiation on a grand, publicly viewable scale