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Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by jandrese on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:14PM (#24146344)
My understanding is that in most areas without existing voter suppression efforts anything postmarked by election day should be counted. This will probably delay the announcement of the winner unless it is a landslide, which is not really that big of a deal unless you are a cable new channel that feels it is necessary to have 24/7 coverage of the election until the winner is announced.
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by jgacook on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:16PM (#24146366)
This is untrue - different states have different standards by which mail in ballots will be counted. A postmark on or before Election Day is no guarantee your vote will be tallied, depending on where you live.
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by dekhn on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:30PM (#24146569)
it seems like that would be a reasonable goal, though- a SLO of 99.99% mail-in ballots with postmarks on or before Election Day should be counted.
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by jefurii on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:36PM (#24146650)
And in places like California which take a long time to count ballots they usually announce results and the election is effectvely over before everything is counted.
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by jandrese on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:49PM (#24146804)
Most places will make the announcement once the outstanding ballots are extremely unlikely to change the result of the election.

So if Candidate A is winning 500,000 to 400,000 but 150,000 ballots are still outstanding then they'll make the call for Candidate A because there is no reason to think that the outstanding ballots will be that much different in distribution than the already counted ballots. This can be adjusted based on historical precedent as well, if you know that late counting precincts tend to vote in a certain way then you can make educated guesses as to when the results of that precinct will no longer make a difference. Even after adding in some extra margin for safety you can call the race.

The tricky part is when a race is really close and you have to count every ballot. This is when waiting 3-5 days for the mail to finish trickling in is going to cause cable news anchors to lose sleep.

Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by wnissen on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:15PM (#24147133)
Postal officials in Brooklyn testified that ballots had only a 40% chance of getting the postmark from the day they were mailed. That's a big deal to me. The whole thing was made much worse by the fact that election officials only ordered the ballots from the printer two days before the election.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/six-weeks-later-ele...

Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by Lendal on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:23PM (#24146471)
That's determined by the states. In many states the postmark is irrelevant. The votes must be delivered on time or they don't count.
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by ardy42 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @03:07PM (#24147040)
> My understanding is that in most areas without existing voter suppression efforts anything postmarked by election day should be counted.

What happens when the postmark is not legible? I don't read postmarks often, but a good chunk of the time I can't make out the full date.

Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by dwiel on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:19PM (#24146411)
It may still be helpful to delay the counting of these votes to further the narrative "look, Trump won by a large margin the first day, then all these mail in votes come in a week later and the winner is now Biden? Obvious mail fraud!"
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by ardy42 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:37PM (#24146653)
> It may still be helpful to delay the counting of these votes to further the narrative "look, Trump won by a large margin the first day, then all these mail in votes come in a week later and the winner is now Biden? Obvious mail fraud!"

Yeah, other people are seeing that as his strategy, too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/opinion/trump-election-da...

> There’s no mystery about what President Trump intends to do if he holds a lead on election night in November. He’s practically broadcasting it.

> First, he’ll claim victory. Then, having spent most of the year denouncing vote-by-mail as corrupt, fraudulent and prone to abuse, he’ll demand that authorities stop counting mail-in and absentee ballots. He’ll have teams of lawyers challenging counts and ballots across the country.

> He also seems to be counting on having the advantage of mail slowdowns, engineered by the recently installed Postmaster General Louis DeJoy. Fewer pickups and deliveries could mean more late-arriving ballots and a better shot at dismissing votes before they’re even opened, especially if the campaign has successfully sued to block states from extending deadlines. We might even see a Brooks Brothers riot or two, where well-heeled Republican operatives stage angry and voluble protests against ballot counts and recounts.

> If Trump is leading on election night, in other words, there’s a good chance he’ll try to disrupt and delegitimize the counting process. That way, if Joe Biden pulls ahead in the days (or weeks) after voting ends — if we experience a “blue shift” like the one in 2018, in which the Democratic majority in the House grew as votes came in — the president will have given himself grounds to reject the outcome as “fake news.”

> The only way to prevent this scenario, or at least, rob it of the oxygen it needs to burn, is to deliver an election night lead to Biden. This means voting in person. No, not everyone will be able to do that. But if you plan to vote against Trump and can take appropriate precautions, then some kind of hand delivery — going to the polls or bringing your mail-in ballot to a “drop box” — will be the best way to protect your vote from the president’s concerted attempt to undermine the election for his benefit.

Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by kyleee on Thursday August 13, 2020 @04:31PM (#24148513)
yep, everyone needs to wear PPE and go to the polls
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by Bailin on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:37PM (#24146658)
Re:The Post Office Is Deactivating Mail Sorting Machines Ahe... by belltaco on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:37PM (#24146662)
How long do they wait for the mails to arrive?