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Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by aslfksdfl on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:13PM (#24136321)
I've had Uber drivers pick me up and refuse to go to the part of the city I wanted to go to... complete pain in the ass (and also racist in this specific case). Uber offered me $5 for my trouble each time, which is... very Uber.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by mlrtime on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:19PM (#24137696)
How is an area racist?
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by kevingadd on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:36PM (#24137880)
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by whynotminot on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:23PM (#24138260)
The area wasn't, the driver was. Keep up!
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by aslfksdfl on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:26PM (#24138284)
Not the area, the drivers.

Boston is incredibly segregated and in the area I live in is less than 10% white. It's not a coincidence that this is the only area in the city I've ever had trouble getting a ride to (roughly 200 total rides).

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by drevil-v2 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:18AM (#24140471)
Maybe they were afraid for their own safety? I know when I visit the US, each city has it's no-go areas that you want to avoid. I remember my first time in Dallas many years ago pre-GPS era, drove somewhere for dinner, stopped to fill up petrol and get directions to my hotel and the service station attendant told me I should probably exit the area ASAP because it is not safe.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by matuszeg on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:26AM (#24140525)
I lived in Boston a couple years before Uber was a thing and if I was out at night and needed a ride back to Southie (where I lived), it would take me four or five taxis at least to get one to agree to go there.

Uber eliminated that problem. It would be terrible to go back to that system where drivers can just refuse you based on where you are going or what you look like.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by zests on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @11:13PM (#24139609)
Which area?
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:26PM (#24136491)
If the part of the city is unsafe (as some parts of some major cities are frequently nowdays) to the point the driver risks being assaulted by a mob, dragged out and beaten or shot, and their vehicle destroyed - I see no reason why they shouldn't be able to refuse such ride. No ride worth your life, and unless you're paying 1000x the Uber rates, no ride is worth your car ruined.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by sixothree on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:44PM (#24137364)
It sounds like you're making assumptions that the driver cited a reason when he did not. Where from that comment did you get the driver feared being "assaulted by a mob, dragged out and beaten or shot, and their vehicle destroyed". Was it the part where he said it was racist?
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by timavr on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:46PM (#24136769)
I didn’t know Uber is live in Syria.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @04:52PM (#24136830)
It's live in Seattle, Portland and Chicago.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by staplers on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:44PM (#24137955)
I live in Portland and there isn't a single instance of your insane claim happening ever.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by mrhyyyyde on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:14PM (#24137067)
Can you explain your point, the point is unclear. They're also live in other cities as well..?
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by dnissley on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:18PM (#24137104)
They're claiming that those cities are extremely dangerous.

But in reality, that's just innumeracy.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by DuskStar on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:21PM (#24137133)
I think someone attempting to get an Uber pickup (or getting dropped off by an Uber) in the middle of CHOP/CHAZ might have had some problems. Particularly at night.

Or any "drop me off within the ongoing protest" ride, really.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by crooked-v on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:30PM (#24137234)
Problems? Sure. It's going to be hell to try and get in and out of the area, since you'll have to either go at about two miles an hour while people move out of the way (while regularly stopping and waiting for unorganized crowds), or just go around the long way.

'Getting dragged out of your car and beaten'? No, unless the police do it (https://www.newsbreak.com/georgia/atlanta/news/1577488884462...).

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by DuskStar on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:43PM (#24137354)
If you're going to include individual incidents, you should include the CHAZ/CHOP shooting, and the various "people beat up the car as it drives through" occurrences too. Sure, those cars may have done something to offend/anger/threaten the protesters, but...
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by crooked-v on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:51PM (#24137435)
> the CHAZ/CHOP shooting

The one where a man drove into protestors and shot one of them, or one of the four non-related-to-protest shootings in a neighborhood that had been suddenly abandoned by police and already had a high violent crime rate compared to the rest of the city?

> people beat up the car as it drives through

That's an inevitable result of somebody trying to push through a crowd that won't move. If you sit there, nobody moves out of the way, and you hit the gas anyway, people will inevitably try to damage the car to make you stop again, because you could kill somebody doing that.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by DuskStar on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:16PM (#24137676)
> or one of the four non-related-to-protest shootings in a neighborhood that had been suddenly abandoned by police and already had a high violent crime rate compared to the rest of the city?

I was thinking specifically of the "two black teenagers shot, one killed" incident that made the news everywhere. The fact that there were others is itself a great reason for Uber drivers to not want to drive there. (Protester's fault or something else, it's still dangerous)

> That's an inevitable result of somebody trying to push through a crowd that won't move. If you sit there, nobody moves out of the way, and you hit the gas anyway, people will inevitably try to damage the car to make you stop again, because you could kill somebody doing that.

It's an inevitable consequence on both sides. The driver sitting still who gets spooked by people banging on their windows and floors it is also a predictable outcome. (There's reasons that protests normally have streets closed off, and it's not just for the protesters containment) Personally I'd put both driving up to a crowd AND surrounding a car on foot as "play stupid games, win stupid prizes" - for exactly this reason.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by liability on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:18PM (#24137693)
I think to a hypothetical uber driver, the reason a neighborhood is risky matters less that the fact that the neighborhood is risky. Knowing that it's the cops fault for pulling out of the neighborhood won't pay the repair bill.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:09PM (#24137614)
The point is some places in some cities at some times carry high risk to whoever drives there. I consider it immoral for the company to force an employee (or contractor) to go to such high-risk place, and for that person I think makes complete sense to refuse going to such place and risk their assets (e.g. car) and their health for a relatively small payment.

Portland, Seattle and Chicago are examples of the cities which had recently well-documented examples of some areas being dangerous and carrying risk of violent encounters.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by aslfksdfl on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:30PM (#24138309)
Crime in my city (and most of the country) is lower than it's ever been. I've literally never been denied a ride by traditional cab drivers.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by core-questions on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:00PM (#24136922)
Amazing that you're downvoted. Are HN posters really so sheltered that they don't know that this is a reality in many major American cities? I'm sure it's in areas they never visit, for totally unspecified reasons, but it's real. There are areas (e.g. in Camden NJ) where the police will tell you to not stop your car for any reason, just get through and get out.

Pretending this isn't a reality or that it doesn't have an impact on someone driving for a living is pretty asinine.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by crooked-v on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:25PM (#24137181)
There's a major difference between 'unsafe because of high crime rates' (the actual case in some places) and 'unsafe because an entire mob of random people will manifest out of the ether, drag you from your car, and beat you up' (the nonsense part). The latter has been seeing increasing use lately as part of the endless barrage of 'all of (city name) is a flaming ruin constantly prowled by antifa supersoldiers' claims against the ongoing protests in several cities.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:48PM (#24137400)
It doesn't have to be "constant". It's enough to happen to you once to cost you tens of thousands of dollars, or your health, or, if you're very unlucky, your life. I've seen photos of people with firearms drawn stopping motorists at protests. You can talk all day about how it doesn't happen, but I've seen photos and videos of that happening. There's no way I would go to such place for $20/hr (Uber's average wage in SV, for example). It's just not worth the risk.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by rabuse on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:08PM (#24137611)
Exactly, it's simple risk assessment. As much as people try to stay politically correct nowadays, it doesn't remove the most basic system we have, called survival. Life experiences and situations, creates these "stereotypes", and becomes widespread, because they are actual issues people try to avoid talking about, to not come off a certain way.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by staplers on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:46PM (#24137980)

  Are HN posters really so sheltered that they don't know that this is a reality in many major American cities?
Man the irony here is really lost.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by asdff on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @05:37PM (#24137298)
In what American city will you get dragged out of your car and beaten? Somewhere cartel controlled in south America, maybe, but that would be a pricey uber coming all the way from the U.S.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Monday August 17, 2020 @06:57PM (#24193259)
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by liability on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @06:25PM (#24137771)
I can tell you from personal experience, much of the reporting on chaz/chop has been exaggerated. While any given incident may be accurately reported, the media selects the worst incidents/angles then tries to pass that off as the standard experience.

The incidents reported are reality, however that doesn't mean the picture being painted isn't misleading.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by smsm42 on Monday August 17, 2020 @06:56PM (#24193250)
Here's one exaggerated incident: https://nypost.com/2020/08/17/blm-mob-beat-white-man-unconsc...

They exaggerate that the mob dragged a man out of his car, and they exaggerate that he was kicked in the head and rendered unconscious. In fact, they exaggerate so much that they had to take him into the ER. To me, it paints a completely misleading picture that in Portland you could be run off the road, dragged out of the car and beaten unconscious. Surely if reported properly, they'd notice there are thousands of people in Portland who weren't beaten senseless that night, so we'd better focus on that.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by aslfksdfl on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:40PM (#24138398)
I take it your experience in cities is extremely limited.
Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by core-questions on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @08:09PM (#24138606)
I really don't know how you got that from me being the one who's warning you things can go sideways. If you've only had good experiences in cities, if you've never been mugged, if you've never been scared, or seen someone else in such a situation, it's you who has the limited experience.

Not that I want you to have a bad experience. Not that all cities are so bad, or that you're guaranteed a bad time everywhere. There's plenty of good left. But it's easy for someone who doesn't have their wits about them and doesn't know where to avoid to end up in the wrong place and have things go sideways. Don't be that person.

Re:Uber CEO says its service will probably shut down tempora... by aslfksdfl on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @11:02PM (#24139569)
I've lived in this city my entire life and the vast majority of scary experiences have happened to me downtown. Which suburb do you live in?