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Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by fsflover on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:34PM (#24135863)
Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by vikramkr on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:10PM (#24134954)
The relationship is already quite close

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_State

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by biggestlou on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:11PM (#24134962)
It's significantly more complicated than that: https://www.euronews.com/2020/08/07/ties-between-russia-and-...
Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by vikramkr on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:19PM (#24135063)
I'm aware, and the wiki goes into the complications as well. I'm suggesting that, along the lines of what the parent comment did, putin might find this an opportunity to strengthen the union agreement, perhaps make good on some of those promises to increase unity to increase influence
Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by ivan_gammel on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:12PM (#24134972)
Won’t happen. He still needs to figure out what to do with Khabarovsk and he is not politically capable of taking down another Prague Spring.
Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by dongvsascript on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:25PM (#24135125)
of course it will. belarus is more of a russian republic, not its own country. they speak russian -most people don't know the belorussian language, which is just redneck russian. it's an open border with russia. you know how you're driving in illinois and there's just a sign on the side 'welcome to indiana?' welcome to belarus.

they also have a co-mingled army, as in not just joint drills but belarus soldiers taking orders from russian generals. in fact, in case of a war, the agreement is russia commands the belarussian forces.

so, dictatorship notes aside, it would absolutely be proper and expected for putin to help the government of belarus, as per their agreements.

source: am russian, went there for work for several years as an adult, have been to belarus, have friends from belarus.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by 0ld on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:31PM (#24135837)
> belorussian language, which is just redneck russian

along with the rest of the comment, this passage nicely emphasizes the common russian colonialist attitude towards belarus

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by sergeykish on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @07:27PM (#24138290)
> belorussian language, which is just redneck russian

Just like Poland, Slovak, Czech, Slovenian, Croatian, Serbian, right? This is BS, I've been there and it does not fit "East Slavic languages are brothers, others are not". Each language is quite different yet similar, just like Ukrainian vs Russian. A lot of shared vocabulary, but base is not the same - sounds, stress, short-long vowels, hard-soft consonants

    доброе утро  (RU)
    добрий ранок (UA)
    dobré ráno   (SK)
    dobro jutro  (HR)
And Ukrainian and Russian are not single entity either, each region has its own dialect, 100 km is enough to hear (Kharkiv-Poltava, Belgorod-Kursk).

Authentic language is beautiful [1], interviewer language is bastardized. They should catch pronunciation not vocabulary.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rlu4lf5P4x0&t=7m20s

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by dongvsascript on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @10:34PM (#24139401)
i speak fluent proper moscow-russian, as i was born there. the way the redneck farmers speak sounds the same as belarus and ukrainian. in fact, the russian rednecks use many ukrainian words, not just pronounciation. hence redneck russian. it literally sounds like they talk in a russian village.

same as to the french (and me) canadian french sounds uneducated. same as canadian english sounds bad, eh?

the other languages you list, outside of your cherrypicked examples, are very different. how do i know? with ukrainian and belorussian, i can just have a coversation in the language. i take a russian word and i say it with a ukrainian accent -they understand me, and i fully understand them. in the ones you list, it's not canadian french vs france french. it's like spanish vs french. i can kinda understand the general idea of what they're saying, if i focus. they sound foreign -like when i hear spanish, only knowing french.

it's southern china vs redneck north china mandarin. your examples are mandarin vs cantonese.

and while most of ukraine and belarus don't even speak their own language, when they do it's not clean. they speak суржик, which is a mix of russian and their language. so it literally is bastardised russian.

and btw, i lived in kiev for almost 2 years, and have visited every country in europe. i really do know what i'm talking about 1st hand. so i didn't watch your youtube video. it would be like you posting a link explaining why water is dry.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by sergeykish on Thursday August 13, 2020 @02:42AM (#24140588)
I believed same narrative as you, I was born near border (native Russian speaker) and we do have суржик, never liked it. Later I've traveled to Ukrainian Carpathians, they have beautiful language there, I liked it and learned it.

When I've been in Europe it was Ukrainian which was close to these languages, not Russian.

Sure people understand when you speak Russian with Ukrainian accent - they speak Russian, they would understand without accent too. They speak Russian in Croatia and Slovak too - not a lot, but some do, it proves nothing.

The truth is language division is political, it is dialects all around. You believe in narrative that suits Russia politics. But the story works both ways - one can argue that Russian is redneck language, not a proper Kievan Rus descendant, its people can't even communicate with other Slavs.

I've been to Moscow, funny accent. I've been to Russian village (under Kursk), they speak Russian there, as Ukrainian speaker I should know.

So you know 1st hand, I know 1st hand, how about I don't say shit about Russian and you don't say shit about Belarusian and Ukrainian?

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by bitcurious on Thursday August 13, 2020 @09:51AM (#24143302)
> i take a russian word and i say it with a ukrainian accent -they understand me, and i fully understand them.

You aren't speaking Ukrainian, you are speaking a creole, surzhik, with people that aren't obnoxious enough to point out your mistakes. It's nothing to be ashamed of, but nothing to draw conclusions from either.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surzhyk

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by baybal2 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @03:22PM (#24135723)
> No doubt Putin will be along soon and generously decide to lend a hand and restore order.

That's pretty much in the working if the EU will not do first. If not, the world will see Russian tank armies on the border with Poland again.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by me_me_me on Thursday August 13, 2020 @06:03AM (#24141674)
Thats already true, Poland has a border with Russia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaliningrad_Oblast

This whole rhetoric of scary Russian tanks and missiles ready to attack is stupid.

Russian needs europe to sell its oil and gas to and get luxury goods and food from. Do you think their chinese friends would approve? EU is third economical block in the world China would take a hit not able to trade with EU as freely if there is a war with russia.

Any military conflict with EU would be an economical collapse of Russia. So let's stop scaring people with this pale faded red scare.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by baybal2 on Thursday August 13, 2020 @08:48AM (#24142774)
> This whole rhetoric of scary Russian tanks and missiles ready to attack is stupid.

It is not stupid.

Kaliningrad is a small city surrounded with Polish tank regiments just in case of such scenario.

Defending a long front is much harder.

> Any military conflict with EU would be an economical collapse of Russia.

Russia had already been in the perpetual collapsing state economically since the end of sky high oil prices. Russian regime doesn't seem to mind at all its people eating grass.

Russian military goal was, and is to invade Europe. Georgia, Ukraine, Syria, Montenegro, Libya were all parts of the chain leading to it. It is undisputable.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by me_me_me on Thursday August 13, 2020 @09:31AM (#24143133)
US military planed to invade Canada and UK.

That's what military does. They have free time so they make plans for all occasions.

Military is not government.

> Kaliningrad is a small city surrounded with Polish tank regiments just in case of such scenario.

And what else would you propose they do. Of course they will place them there, that doesn't mean threat of invasion is high.

> Russian regime doesn't seem to mind at all its people eating grass.

That's not how it works. Putin is not a moron and he clearly tries to create image of powerful imperial russia. Its a show for the 'people eating grass' because if too many of them start complaining he will loose power.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by baybal2 on Friday August 14, 2020 @05:09AM (#24155594)
> And what else would you propose they do. Of course they will place them there, that doesn't mean threat of invasion is high.

It is so exactly because those guys are being deterred by Polish tank divisions. They see their big, scary guns, and tremble in fear.

Poland is all flat land. It is very vulnerable to tank armies. If that deterrence wasn't there, Poland would've been invaded by Russians.

The Kremlin seeing it all well, and Putin having not the worst military education himself, know they have very little chance to mount a direct attack.

This is exactly why they've been working on the "Southern Route" for more than a decade. They want to attack Europe from its soft Southern underbelly.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by me_me_me on Friday August 14, 2020 @06:15AM (#24156042)
Is this a troll??

> It is so exactly because those guys are being deterred by Polish tank divisions

I am lost for words if that is not a troll.

The Polish Armed Forces consist of 117,800 active duty

The Russian Armed Forces consist of 900,000 active duty

Thats just headcounts, not to mention the tech.

If russia wanted to invade poland they could do it within days.

Reading your replay again I think you are actually serious... and I have more important things to do, like banging my head against a brick wall.

Re:Belarus election: Police use live fire on protesters in B... by doytch on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @02:11PM (#24134964)
Putin and Pooh Bear have both already congratulated Lukashenko on his electoral "victory." Wouldn't be surprised if they helped their friend.