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Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by ethanbond on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @05:23AM (#24118614)
It’s incredible how many people just start from the assumption that these services must exist and then work backward from that. Obviously you run into serious dissonance when you arrive at the pricing problem, where the solution is quite simple: they shouldn’t exist.

Then you can start thinking about real solutions to urban transit that have existed for more than a century.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by moduspol on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:11AM (#24119463)
The starting assumption is that free and rational adults are choosing to work for the wage and customers are choosing to pay a sufficient price, so it should exist. That's not working backward, or dissonance--it's an acknowledgement of reality.

It's a different unrelated group claiming that it shouldn't exist if it doesn't provide the pay / benefits they think it should.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by samat on Monday August 17, 2020 @08:58AM (#24186775)
Are we willing to allow, even to facilitate that as a society?

See heavy drugs, prostitution and violence market as some examples where two consenting adults is not enough to form a legitimate business.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by moduspol on Monday August 17, 2020 @09:15AM (#24186903)
I think if we're to the point that we're comparing Uber to the violence market, we're not having a meaningful discussion any more.

True: it is not the case that we should fundamentally allow any association between two consenting adults. No, this does not justify preventing it in other cases.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by 2OEH8eoCRo0 on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @11:02AM (#24132711)
I don't buy that. These rides are only as cheap as they are because of VC money and they aren't profitable. Imagine the cost of rides without VC money and more pro-worker regulations? If they aren't profitable now I don't see this ever being profitable without some radical change to the business model (driverless fleet for example).
Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by moduspol on Wednesday August 12, 2020 @11:54AM (#24133312)
There are some rides that are subsidized as loss leaders undoubtedly, but that's not the primary case.

The way I see it, it's already proven that riders will accept paying X dollars and drivers will work for X dollars, minus Y% for Uber's cut. Uber's Y% is likely higher than it needs to be, but at the end of the day, it's a SaaS app. Even municipalities have set up local competitors / clones.

These companies are certainly pouring a ton of money into expanding into new geographic areas, other business models, and more. But as long as riders will pay an amount even a little higher than what drivers will accept, it can be profitable.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by La1n on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:43AM (#24119677)
>The starting assumption is that free and rational adults are choosing to work for the wage

And there are plenty that argue that under capitalism one isn't fully free. There is always the threat of losing the roof over your head.

Re:Uber and Lyft ordered by California judge to classify dri... by moduspol on Tuesday August 11, 2020 @08:53AM (#24119761)
Of course. It's just not relevant to my or OP's point.