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Re:Fire your bad customers by MaxBarraclough on Sunday August 09, 2020 @06:52AM (#24098711)
From your account of the incident, you declined to take the customer's problem seriously at all.

I don't see that it's reasonable to disregard the issues of a paying customer on account of their poor netiquette. They aren't a professional tester filing a bug-report, they're a paying customer with poor communication skills. I don't see that refusing to help them, and even mocking them, is an acceptable response. At the very least you're holding yourself to a low standard.

Re:Fire your bad customers by StavrosK on Sunday August 09, 2020 @06:54AM (#24098721)
I disagree, but I wouldn't email anyone with "it doesn't work! FIX IT!!!" with no further detail and expect to get help, paying or not. I'm frankly surprised that you think that a person this rude is entitled to support.

Paying gets you support, it doesn't get you the right to be rude to the person you're asking for help.

What would you have done?

Re:Fire your bad customers by MaxBarraclough on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:05AM (#24098775)
I'd have felt an obligation to make the effort to help them, on account of how they paid me, and I'd ask them to clarify the problem. I'd use a tone that reassures them I'm taking them seriously, rather than one that gives them good reason to think I don't care about them.

Yes, their tone is rude, but it's not as if it's outright abusive. One can't be so thin-skinned as to take offence at punctuation. They also failed to provide any details about the problem, but that's what happens when you deal with customers rather than professional testers. The ability to file good bug-reports (or support requests) is a skill; you can't very well insist that all your customers must have it.

Re:Fire your bad customers by StavrosK on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:12AM (#24098821)
I insist that all people I come across have a modicum of respect for another person. I don't care that they didn't provide details (very few customers actually do on the first email), I care that they didn't say hello, or please, or thank you, but "it's broken! FIX IT!!!" and nothing else.

I sincerely don't understand how that's controversial at all. If someone on the street saw you and said "Hey! You! Help me cross the street NOW!!!" would you feel obligated to help them? Would it be rude to say "you can't talk to me like that"?

Re:Fire your bad customers by MaxBarraclough on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:34AM (#24098920)
You could have gone with a simple prologue of Please be respectful. Instead your first reply contained no substance at all. You were doing nothing to actually help, such as getting them to clarify the problem. That's likely to rile up the customer even more. On top of that, your tone wasn't appropriate.

> I sincerely don't understand how that's controversial at all

There are gradations. If the customer were being truly offensive, that would be one thing, but in this case they're really just making themselves look like a petulant teenager.

I'd have rolled my eyes and got to work, knowing they'll probably behave better (and regret their silly outburst) once they know I'm taking them seriously.

If an employee sent a message with this level of rudeness, then sure, you'd want to have a word with them about their netiquette, but customers can't be held to the same standard.

Re:Fire your bad customers by julianlam on Sunday August 09, 2020 @08:51AM (#24099281)
> I'd have rolled my eyes and got to work, knowing they'll probably behave better (and regret their silly outburst) once they know I'm taking them seriously.

This is where I think you're mistaken. Customers and clients like this, once they see they've gotten you under their thumb, will be more than happy to continue exploiting you.

Remember Stavros was charging a small lifetime fee. Clients from hell will twist this and try to make you their personal developer for as long as possible.

You seem to think that Stav should be thankful for the opportunity to fix the particular bug, but who's to say he wouldn't have discovered and fixed it on his own time?

Customers can and should be held to the same standard. Otherwise you end up with shit customers.

Re:Fire your bad customers by MaxBarraclough on Sunday August 09, 2020 @09:46AM (#24099609)
> Customers and clients like this, once they see they've gotten you under their thumb, will be more than happy to continue exploiting you.

I'm not saying you're obligated to be a total pushover. You're certainly not obligated to agree to every feature-request, or even to every bug-fix request. I still don't think the way they handled the support request (such as it was) was appropriate.

> Stavros was charging a small lifetime fee. Clients from hell will twist this and try to make you their personal developer for as long as possible.

We don't have reason to believe this is what's happened here. I figure the customer was probably just frustrated and, yes, rather rude.

If you make the decision to sell a lifetime service, you take on some level of lifetime support obligation.

> You seem to think that Stav should be thankful for the opportunity to fix the particular bug, but who's to say he wouldn't have discovered and fixed it on his own time?

If handling their issue properly results in uncovering a bug, that's a good thing. I don't think it's of much consequence if you feel thankful.

The customer was still rude, sure. Does that outweigh the benefit of discovering a bug? I don't think it matters. The question is about offering good service and handling rude customers.

> Customers can and should be held to the same standard. Otherwise you end up with shit customers.

But you've already chosen to take their money in exchange for a lifetime service. It's not the same as declining to renew a contract.

If the customer is being outright abusive, that's reasonable grounds to decline to take on their support request. I'd draw the line somewhere above this sort of low-level rudeness though.

Re:Fire your bad customers by zzz61831 on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:45AM (#24098961)
It's controversial because there is nothing actually rude about "it's broken! FIX IT!!!" message and when people are truly rude while asking for support it's because they are frustrated with the service they wasted time on and paid money for. Mocking frustrated users is just crazy.

Also if you have them on a tiny service it's likely an indication of poor user experience: poor user interfaces, poor performance, poor documentation, poor reliability, etc.

Re:Fire your bad customers by StavrosK on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:49AM (#24098975)
> there is nothing actually rude about "it's broken! FIX IT!!!"

Really? You don't think so? I begin my emails with "hello" and end with "thank you", which I have been taught is polite. What would be rude to you?

Re:Fire your bad customers by iagovar on Sunday August 09, 2020 @08:32AM (#24099169)
It isn't rude? How not? I guess we're having a cultural clash here, otherwise I don't understand.

When I'm frustrated I try to collect myself and be mannered. It's not an excuse. Communicating properly not only makes everyone lives better but also allows better understanding. It's more efficient.

Re:Fire your bad customers by ecpottinger on Sunday August 09, 2020 @01:58PM (#24101480)
I think it is rude. When it was not for the business I worked for I would just walk away from people like that, and yes a computer tech that happen often to me while I was not working.
Re:Fire your bad customers by bartvk on Monday August 10, 2020 @01:28AM (#24105869)
I have to admit that I've been rude on the phone with Support as well.

So I'm using a car sharing system. The car is great. The app is a weird, slow, HTML-ish thingy that appears to trigger bluetooth bugs and frequently loses state.

So I drive my family to a friend. My partner will then continue the trip with our kid. What you need to do, is get out, lock the car, and close the reservation. Then my partner can create a new reservation, and continue driving.

We're already late. It's hot outside. Kid is crying. I open the app, lock the car, and close the reservation. App fails with vague error. My partner is standing there, kid and phone in arm, asking "c'mon hurry".

I call the support line, and give him the problem. The support guy asks me to go through a series of steps. Then I flip and scream: "DAMNIT I'm sick and tired of this app failing me, it's never simply a painless process and now I'm standing here in the heat with a crying kid".

He laughs and says: "I understand but I'm trying to help you, sir. How about you let me talk to the partner?"

To this day, I'm both ashamed, amazed and happy how professional this guy was.

Re:Fire your bad customers by technothrasher on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:04AM (#24098774)
Considering they did come back with a polite follow up, I agree with the above poster that it was likely a case of poor communication skills rather than intentioned rudeness. Your quick follow up to their inappropriate message with your own overt rudeness is clearly what is setting posters off here. I would have given them a bit more of the benefit of a doubt before I went off on them.
Re:Fire your bad customers by StavrosK on Sunday August 09, 2020 @07:13AM (#24098824)
How is it rude to tell someone they're being rude?

My takeaway from the reactions in this thread is that businesses are culturally expected to let the customer walk all over them, and anything other than "thank you for your abuse, now please let me help you" is considered rude.

Re:Fire your bad customers by ecpottinger on Sunday August 09, 2020 @02:00PM (#24101491)
Garbage! Telling someone they are rude is not rude, it is cutting off the rude behavior.