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Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by 0xy on Saturday August 08, 2020 @02:04AM (#24089447)
The US is the recipient of all of the world's top talent. Why would any extremely experienced developer willingly choose to earn 1/6th of the money in the Europe or less unless forced to?

Of course, top talent does exist in Europe but there's way less than the US.

Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by fsloth on Saturday August 08, 2020 @04:26AM (#24090031)
Because people like other things than just money? Once you have the safety network of a european state, have upper middle class income, there is very little to gain in quality of life by increase in pay.
Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by kabes on Saturday August 08, 2020 @04:26AM (#24090029)
I moved back to Europe from SV for a lesser paying job (not 1/6th though) because I thoroughly hated the bay area / US. I got a way better quality of life here (Belgium).
Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by benhurmarcel on Saturday August 08, 2020 @08:38AM (#24091190)
> or less unless forced to?

Most are basically forced to. We're not US citizens, we don't have a right to work in the US.

Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by naavis on Saturday August 08, 2020 @03:54AM (#24089873)
Because they want to live in Europe?
Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by 0xy on Saturday August 08, 2020 @03:56AM (#24089881)
My comment never suggested there are none who don't live there by choice. Of course, by choosing Europe, you surrender literally millions of dollars (in compounding retirement investments over decades).

I specifically mean EU countries by the way, Switzerland and London are the only exceptions -- and even then the US is better.

Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by dmitriid on Saturday August 08, 2020 @04:58AM (#24090178)
> you surrender literally millions of dollars

You don't. You spend those "millions" of dollars on ridiculously expensive medical care, on ridiculously expensive education, on car ownership, on... And in return you get worse infrastructure, worse medical care, worse ecology etc.

Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by 0xy on Saturday August 08, 2020 @06:29AM (#24090516)
Education is a choice in our industry. I'm self taught and I'm paid the same as colleagues with PhDs.

As for medical care, all half decent tech employers provide comprehensive healthcare coverage.

I don't know what you've been reading, but unless healthcare costs $200,000 a year (it doesn't cost 1/10th of that), you're better off in the US.

As for "worse infrastructure", you'll have to be specific. There's crumbling infrastructure all over the US and Europe.

Worse medical care is also a stretch. In fact, in some areas (heart attacks and strokes, for example) the US is a world leader. [1]

I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU.

[1] https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/22/the-real-reason-medical-care...

Re:Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever by eurosenior on Saturday August 08, 2020 @07:05AM (#24090668)
> I'll remind you that new grads in the US are often paid substantially more than senior level developers in the EU.

Yeah, ain't that right. I've been programming for 20 years, worked as a lead developer/architect and have usually been among the most highly compensated technical people in companies I've worked for. And yet I have never seen anything close to the kind of money fresh grads get at FAANG.

On the other hand, if I landed a job paying 300k-400k USD a year, I'd probably just retire after 4-5 years.