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Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by roenxi on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:00AM (#24058991)
The problem I leap to is that this article seems to suggest that our thinking process is Bayesian. That is unlikely.

We update our beliefs based on new information, but the whole point of Bayesinaism via Bayes Theorem is updating it by a very specific amount based on evidence strength. Nobody is approximately Baysian in their thought process, and I doubt most people can even be trained to be. Statistics is a pen & paper exercise for the most part.

In my experience, which is not negligible, is the hardest part of statistics is talking people down from beliefs they have settled on because of something that looks like statistical evidence, but in fact is not.

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by hgoury on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @10:19AM (#24061041)
Bayesian approaches are gaining momentum in cognitive sciences. See for instance "The Bayesian brain" article by Knoll and Pouget.

There is also Cox's theorem, that essentially states that probability theory is the only sound system that extends logic in the presence of uncertainty, to continuous values (between 0 and 1) instead of the two values 0 and 1.

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by neilkakkar on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:02AM (#24059012)
Fair point, the beginning section does seem to suggest that. I have a note in the middle explaining this is not the case.

I make the connection to demonstrate that Bayes is not some arcane statistical artifact, but qualitatively in line with intuition, albeit miscalibrated. This opens up avenues to then move towards ideal bayesian-ness.

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by roenxi on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:30AM (#24059169)
Ah, hey, didn't see you were also the submitter. I enjoyed your writing; it is interesting to run across systems thinkers.

And just to fill up the word count; if you haven't read up on the major statistical paradoxes it is possible you'll enjoy them. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Statistical_paradoxes for your attention. If you are playing with stats for the framework then the other half of the fun is delving into the paradoxes; knowing them by heart is a great trick for interpreting evidence. Simpson's, Berkson's and the Elevator Paradox explain a lot of life.

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by neilkakkar on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:40AM (#24059216)
Ah, yes indeed! Thank you.

I really enjoyed this explanation of Simpson's Paradox: http://michaelnielsen.org/reinventing_explanation/

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by tmoertel on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @08:43AM (#24060167)
A better, more satisfying explanation for Simpson's Paradox comes from Pearl et al.'s work in modern causation theory, in which they point out that the paradox exists only because we fail to consider the causal structure that generated the apparently paradoxical data. If we take that structure into account and are clear about the causal question we are trying to answer, the paradox disappears. For a recent example involving COVID-19, check out this blog post:

http://causality.cs.ucla.edu/blog/index.php/2020/07/06/race-...

Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by srean on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @01:43PM (#24063437)
Hi Tom I used to enjoy your blog a lot and your posts on G+ pray continue blogging.
Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by doublesCs on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:06AM (#24059038)
I thought it was abundantly obvious that the author meant it in a qualitative way, i.e. we update our certainty as evidence comes in. Not necessarily in the quantitatively correct amount.
Re:Bayes Theorem: A Framework for Critical Thinking by james_s_tayler on Wednesday August 05, 2020 @06:10AM (#24059067)
Exactly. You can witness that happen in real time during conversations.

Though we don't always work that way. Consider all the cognitive bias we're susceptible to. You have to account for that.