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Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by ethbro on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:11AM (#24037298)
When you're talking about fly fishing, you're already selecting for {time to fish} && {unwilling to pursue the most efficient method of catching fish}. So it's not a leap to && {slightly crazy}.

(Said as a fly fisherman)

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by arethuza on Monday August 03, 2020 @09:35AM (#24037560)
I remember seeing fly fishing rights for sale on a stretch of the Spey - I think it was something like £40,000. Which I initially though was amazingly expensive.

Then I realised that just for one week a year!

Also, the statistics they provided suggest that each fish you caught would cost about the same as a cheap car.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by ethbro on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:23AM (#24038113)
It's a weird sport from a human perspective.

You get folks who just do it as a hobby (because it's not that expensive), die hard folks who live it (but aren't that wealthy), plus ultra-wealthy folks (who are generally jealous of the former!). I think it's the peace and tranquillity that attracts.

Add to that, that at least in the US, Trout Unlimited is without a doubt the most politically-connected pure sportsperson lobbying organization.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by teachrdan on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:50PM (#24040977)
"At either end of the social spectrum there lies a leisure class."

What you described is also true for skiing, scuba diving, mountain diving and any number of other outdoor pursuits.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by ethbro on Monday August 03, 2020 @02:13PM (#24041260)
Apparently in the US there are about: 7M fly fishers [1], 9M skiers + snowboarders [2], about 3.2M SCUBA divers [3], 14M "active camping households" (3 or more times in a year) [4], and 48M hikers [5]. To pull a few outdoor activities, because I was curious.

Fly fishing feels more like bird-watching to me though: in that it's relatively easy and cheap to do, but not a thing you would ever do accidentally.

[1] https://outdoorindustry.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/2018-... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/376710/active-skiers-and... [3] https://www.dema.org/store/download.aspx?id=7811B097-8882-47... [4] https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170315005391/en/Cam... [5] https://www.statista.com/statistics/191240/participants-in-h...

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by throwaway0a5e on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:24AM (#24038117)
Hunting/fishing in Europe is traditionally something the landed gentry did and priced accordingly. It's all orders of magnitude cheaper in the US and Canada.
Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by epanchin on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:44AM (#24038341)
I’d suggest fishing in Scotland is expensive because of American money driving up prices.
Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by arethuza on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:54AM (#24038455)
Ownership of "sporting" estates in Scotland is pretty varied:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-47963208

NB Doesn't matter who owns it, we can still walk over it!

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by macNchz on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:33PM (#24040759)
Are Americans buying land in Scotland specifically for fly fishing? Not that I don't love visiting Scotland, it just seems unnecessarily expensive and far when Montana offers vast areas of (to my knowledge) world-class fly fishing without an international flight.
Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by arethuza on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:33AM (#24038218)
It very much depends on the type of hunting or fishing though - coarse and sea fishing is a very popular activity. Mind you - you can go fishing in some very nice spots for relatively small amounts of money:

e.g.

http://www.glensherup-fishery.co.uk/

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by jhardy54 on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:27AM (#24038154)
> {unwilling to pursue the most efficient method of catching fish}

What's the most efficient method of catching fish?

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by throwaway0a5e on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:01PM (#24039429)
What's the most efficient method of catching fish?

Explosives, hands down, by a wide margin. Most people aren't optimizing for pure efficiency though.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by AniseAbyss on Monday August 03, 2020 @01:31PM (#24040735)
Dutch commercial fishers devised a way to electrocute fish and scoop them up.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_pulse_fishing

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by vishbar on Monday August 03, 2020 @12:21PM (#24039713)
Leaving aside commercial methods or more...shall we say, exotic methods like explosives or elecroshock, bait fishing is generally more effective.

I do both: I trot bait when the river I fish is unsuitable for the fly.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by panzagl on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:52AM (#24038437)
Big nets.
Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by fold on Monday August 03, 2020 @02:46PM (#24041715)
For my money it's gotta be a fish wheel.

https://youtu.be/xVnRHN2u5GM?t=321

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by adventured on Monday August 03, 2020 @10:43AM (#24038327)
> What's the most efficient method of catching fish?

Currently? Very large industrial fishing nets.

Re:The rise, fall, and rise of the status pineapple by grawprog on Monday August 03, 2020 @11:35AM (#24039032)
Yet the last time I watched an industrial fishing net unload they dumped about a ton of bycatch to the sea lions. They are pretty efficient at killing unwanted species.

https://www.fisheries.noaa.gov/insight/understanding-bycatch...?

>Unwanted catch is an issue both ecologically and economically. Animals that are discarded often die and cannot reproduce, impacting marine ecosystems. Bycatch can slow the rebuilding of overfished stocks, and place protected species such as whales and sea turtles at further risk. Bycatch of species like corals and sponges can cause damage to protected corals and to important fish habitat.