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Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by pixl97 on Sunday August 02, 2020 @06:44PM (#24032439)
Ugh, what rhetoric. Defund the police is not abolishing the police, it is removing their responsibility as only tool we have in the toolbox against many different societal problems. The police are a hammer. Sometimes you need a hammer, especially if the problem is a nail. Problem is when someone has a few screws loose, they tend to also get hammered.
Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by gwright on Sunday August 02, 2020 @07:15PM (#24032616)
> Ugh, what rhetoric.

I agree. You seem to think that the police function should be re-examined and adjusted and you seem to be OK using the short hand of "defund the police" to communicate that. Unfortunately there are other folks who think that "defund the police" really does mean to zero out the budget of the police and there are all sorts of positions in between those two.

So I would assert that as a means to communicate clearly, "defund the police" fails miserably. It is terrible rhetoric that just sows confusion and promotes division.

Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by justanotherhn on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:36PM (#24031989)
If we were to do a poll you're probably right. The majority of HN is left leaning. Personally I don't want to defund the police (especially since i'm not from the US which would make my opinion invalid.) I'm going to make an assumtion and tell me if I'm right. You have been on Twitter for at least 2 hours in the last week. Is this the case? let me know if possible.
Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by jessaustin on Sunday August 02, 2020 @05:22PM (#24031883)
It is a little weird to imagine solving the problem of boaters possible exposure to MMH/NTO, by shooting the boaters.
Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday August 02, 2020 @06:02PM (#24032158)
> shooting the boaters

Straw man [1]. The Coast Guard would be expected to deter, ticket and, in the most extreme circumstances, disable craft.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Straw_man

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Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday August 02, 2020 @07:02PM (#24032539)
> the "deadly gas" was released during that time

MMH is not vented on landing. When it’s released, it’s because of a mistake. That’s why the approaching crew take the precautions they do, and don a gas mask when toying with the craft.

Nothing bad happened to these boaters. But they were downwind from a substance which, had it leaked, would have put every one of them in the hospital and taken decades off their lives.

Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by jessaustin on Sunday August 02, 2020 @07:11PM (#24032596)
I was listening to the feed. They clearly discussed the dropping concentrations of both MMH (although I think they called it "MMT"?) and NTO. If they weren't just staging an elaborate ruse, then those substances were going somewhere. At at least one point they asked the crew if they wanted to exit immediately or wait. The crew replied they were happy to "hang out" a bit longer.

Even though you're flip-flopping (in the same paragraph) about whether there was a dangerous condition, you do seem to concede that shooting people is not the way to rescue them. So, you're ahead of most USA national security experts.

Re:NASA Astronauts in SpaceX Capsule Make First Water Landin... by gpm on Sunday August 02, 2020 @08:34PM (#24033012)
The gas being discussed appears to have been remennants from the use of the thrusters on orbit or something. They were very explicit that there was not a leak.

Hanging out a bit longer meant staying inside the capsule longer instead of seeing a doctor sooner to avoid exposing themselves and more of the crew to those fumes. They were at 2.5ppm if I recall the radio chatter correctly.