> If you are so inclined, you can actually visit Xinjiang yourself and ask Uighurs there about the situation. China has been actively been encouraging foreign inspectors to visit Xinjiang to see the situation.

Oh that sounds news to me. I was under the impression that no foreign media was allowed to freely roam and report in Xinjiang.

Can you please share your sources and any instances of foreign to China (and perhaps non US like say EU/India/Australia/Arabic etc.) media coverage in Xinjiang?

"Muslim Pakistan says outcry over China detention camps ‘sensationalized’"

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1423536/world

37 countries have also signed a UNHRC letter in support of China's Xinjiang policies, the majority of whom are Muslim countries, and these countries include traditional US allies such as Qatar, Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates and Kuwait.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/07/which-countries-are-for-or-a...

FWIW, the number of countries in support of Xinjiang have increased to 46 at the time of this comment.

I don't know how to tell you this, but a lot of Muslim groups don't like other types of Muslims, and China pumps so much money into those states that they likely wouldn't bat any eye anyhow, especially with Qatar and Saudi Arabia having their own slavery problems.

Explain to me why Sunni Muslim (same as Uighur) countries like Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, and the UAE signed the letter in support of China, all of whom obtain more funding, arms, and security from the US than China?

Because (oversimplifying, but still) on one side Pakistan, and on the other Israel.

Can you elaborate? You essentially just hand waved over my points and said "because Pakistan, Israel."

I'll bite. Cite your sources and I'll address them.

> After reading your bio, I'm not surprised that it's full of comments defending the CCP.

Maybe it's because some of us grew up watching the horrors of the Iraq war, and the immense duplicity, chaos, and waste of human potential? Those who opposed the Iraq war were overwhelmingly silenced back then and I refuse to let the same happen now.

You can't attack other users like this, and you've broken other guidelines as well.

Please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting to HN.

This is an alt account for personal safety and privacy reasons. People have tried to dig through my account (as you have done) and interfere with my personal life. In the past, I have received messages that have been a cause for concern while using my personal account.

For future reference, insinuating someone is a shill or a foreign agent is explicitly against HN guidelines, as it degrades the quality of the discussion.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

It would be great if you can share source/links to these claims you’re making.

If only we had some sort of system where we could easily search for such information (unless you live in China, where such results are hidden or monitored)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7AYyUqrMuQ

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/china-puts-uighurs-uyghyrs-musl...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hair-weaves-chinese-prison-camp...

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/04/887239225/china-suppression-o...

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-harvesting-organs-of-u...

Not to mention the UN even acknowledges the existence of the camps and kidnappings.

1. Where is the hard evidence? I saw a lot of B-roll footage with he-said-she-said, but no hard evidence of the organ harvesting or hair harvesting you claimed in your original post. We cannot rely on testimonials because as history shows [4], testimonials are easily fabricated.

[4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curveball_(informant)

2. Actually cites the exact same Vice documentary you linked in (1).

3. Cites Rushan Abbas, who worked in Guantanamo and for Radio Free Asia (a literal US propaganda outlet) [5]

[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rushan_Abbas

4. Quotes Adrian Zenz, which as I said in my original reply, cannot be considered a quality source. He doesn't speak, read, or write Chinese, and AFAIK hasn't spent anytime in China. His methodology for calculating the population of imprisoned Quighurs consists of interviewing a dozen people for estimations, and then extrapolating these figures across the entire population of Xinjiang. He produces figures, that on the face of it make no sense (1.8 million people imprisoned, three times the size of San Francisco). Is also NPR, which is US funded and cannot be considered an impartial source, given the geopolitical rivalry between China and the US.

As I said earlier, these claims all originate from the same sources (Adrian Zenz, World Uighur Congress), but if you dig into their methodologies or funding sources, you quickly see how murky the details get.

5. Cites Falun Gong, which is a literal cult, akin to Scientology. Experts at the WHO have called into question these claims [6], and the US embassy staff conducted an investigation in 2006 and found no such occurances [7]

[6] https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2016/08/20/transplant...

[7] https://web.archive.org/web/20090620050738/http:/www.america...