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Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by bryanrasmussen on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:10AM (#24018085)
No one deserves any blame for being burgled when leaving their front door opened - however if a bank leaves the vault open they deserve blame because what's in the vault is not just theirs. Twitter left the vault open.
Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by kelnos on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:18AM (#24018399)
That's absurd. If someone does something risky, and gets burned,they share some of the blame for it. Even if they accidentally left their front door open, that's still on them.

Certainly the burglar deserves the lion's share of the blame for what happened, but there's plenty to spread around.

My view is that if a reasonable person would have taken actions that would have avoided the issue in the first place, a person not taking those actions shares in the blame.

My bicycle got stolen from my garage a couple weeks ago. The garage was closed and locked, but someone forced the door at 4am and stole my bike. My bike was not locked to anything. My neighbor's bike was locked to a railing a few feet away from my bike, and did not get stolen. I share some of the blame here because if I had locked my bike up -- an entirely reasonable and prudent thing to do -- my bike would likely not have gotten stolen.

I think maybe the issue is because people are conflating blame with shame. No one should be shamed for stuff like this; it's a learning opportunity. I accept blame and responsibility for my part in my bike's theft, and if/when I get a new bike, I'll take better care to secure it, even when it's indoors.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by watwut on Saturday August 01, 2020 @10:56AM (#24020895)
Leaving the door open is risky only because there are people who steal around. Not because leaving the door would be risky no matter where you live and who is around.

If people locked bikes in garages, people eager to steal bikes would have tools to cut chains in garages. So while it is safer to lock the bike, the blame for stealing goes to whoever stole it.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by JoshuaDavid on Saturday August 01, 2020 @11:11PM (#24026024)
The internet is a place where everyone, everywhere is "around". You can talk about who to blame all you want, but blaming the attackers just means that you'll be attacked by people who don't care if you blame them. It's not an effective way of solving the problem.

And remember that "the problem" is that the attackers hijacked the accounts of people using twitter. Twitter had a duty to take adequate measures to protect those accounts, and failed to do so. The victims are the people whose accounts were stolen, and the people who were defrauded by the hijacked accounts.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by drivingmenuts on Saturday August 01, 2020 @08:57AM (#24020113)
When did a pie on a windowsill become a free pie?

That’s hobo mentality.

It’s not your pie. Keep your goddamn hands off the fucking pie.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by TheOtherHobbes on Saturday August 01, 2020 @12:17PM (#24021607)
If hobos are a known problem, you have no right to be shocked when one steals a pie.

If hackers are a known problem, a huge company like Twitter has no right to claim it was completely blindsided when it gets hacked.

Twitter is a multinational corporation with access to the personal data of hundreds of millions of users.

It has a duty of care to those users, and at a minimum it should have a dedicated team with security policies and recovery plans.

Aside from the reputational damage, an aggressive and ambitious lawyer could make a good case for a very expensive class action if those plans turn out be defective and/or inadequate.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by tomp on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:36AM (#24018220)
They absolutely deserve the blame. At least if I was an insurance company, I’d definitely put that in my contract.
Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by bryanrasmussen on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:43AM (#24018249)
Ok well, according to this https://www.awinins.ca/blog/am-i-covered-if-i-leave-my-front...

"As long as it can be established that your possessions have been taken without your permission most policies will pay out on a claim even if your front door was unlocked or your window open."

so - as it says later "Familiarise yourself with the terms of your policy" which I guess would lead me not to buying insurance from your company.

Aside from that allowing insurance companies to determine who 'deserves blame' seems to run counter to the common perception regarding the moral worth of insurance companies.

Re:Tampa teen accused of being ‘mastermind’ behind Twitter hack by skinnymuch on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:34AM (#24018492)
The OP was making a point. Not actually getting into what legal (not relating to ethics) mechanisms there are for insurance.