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Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by kenhwang on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:01AM (#24018044)
On the other hand, Tiktok is the only social media platform I absolutely can't stand. Low quality content, repeated jokes, people desperate for attention, impersonal, memes, and all of it video so there's an unavoidable fixed time cost.

With so much good high content available on the internet and how little time people have, it saddens me that so much time is spent on the low quality noise.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by johnchristopher on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:25AM (#24018163)
There's no fixed time cost, every video can be skipped (swiped) within the first milliseconds. I agree repeated jokes can be boring but it's really easy to skip. I also don't like videos that pick the influencer style "Hi everyone, so today I was in the kitchen and then you'll never believe what happened come on I have to show you, here's the top counter...". Next. As soon as I hear those kind of intro I skip. On Tiktok I expect the video to show me the content directly (a skateboarder's tiktok would jump straight to the trick, no intro). Yes, there's the impersonal challenge culture where people repeat the same thing... so what, some of them are funny/interesting. It's up to you to skip. After a while I'd say my feed has maybe 5% of junk. And easily skippable.

> With so much good high content available on the internet and how little time people have, it saddens me that so much time is spent on the low quality noise.

No, that's unfair, you are saying all of tiktok content is low quality noise, which is wrong

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by kenhwang on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:18AM (#24018726)
> No, that's unfair, you are saying all of tiktok content is low quality noise, which is wrong

In the board world of "video content", yes it is. It might be better than FB/Instagram/Twitter videos, but those and Tiktok pale in comparison to, say, HBO. Tiktok is gifs with sound filmed on a cell phone with a refreshing take on recommendations optimized for stickiness. It's the McDonalds of video content; maybe better than the niche it competes in, but its still garbage in a very convenient package. As far as the videos are concerned, they're very low quality compared to what the medium is capable of.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by iforgotpassword on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:57AM (#24018901)
Sure but that's a very broad statement. HBO is a completely different thing to "people to people cellphone video sharing". I think we've opened Pandora's box here, this is just a mirror of society or humanity in general. It's not because of the devilish mechanisms those platforms put in place to get you hooked. Without active, rigorous content moderation this kind of videos is always what we end up with.

You might point at YouTube and how it's different here by boosting high quality content, but this is a) because they are running a lot of ads and are as such interested in curating content that advertisers would like their ads to run on and b) because they don't target the cellphone exclusively, so you can actually invest in a proper setup for your videos regarding camera, lighting, set, video editing.

The thing is that I can't see how TikTok can be profitable in the long run. Because of the low quality, low effort videos, it's much less attractive to advertisers, since the risk of ending up on controversial content is high. YouTube went through two or three iterations of this, each time refining their requirements for having a video eligible to have ads on it.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by johnchristopher on Saturday August 01, 2020 @05:04AM (#24018940)
And HBO (which just repackages books into a format lazy people can digest and turn their brains off to) pales in comparison to the free MITx online video courses.

That's pseudo-intellectual arrogance.

Even some PhD laugh about stupid memes.

Also: facebook/insta/tw is mainly about re sharing, not producing.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by rumanator on Saturday August 01, 2020 @05:39AM (#24019107)
> That's pseudo-intellectual arrogance.

You're out of line here. It is what it is, and just pointing out that stuff made with cheap passive fast mass consumption in mind is not arrogance or pseudo-intellectual. Complaining that bubblegum is not nutritional as a good meal at a nice restaurant is not pseudo-intellectual arrogance. You may argue that they have different usecases in mind but that's not an intellectual argument, nor an arrogant statement. Your attempts to resort to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks also don't help your case or even your ability to support your accusation.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by johnchristopher on Saturday August 01, 2020 @06:30AM (#24019339)
> Complaining that bubblegum is not nutritional as a good meal at a nice restaurant is not pseudo-intellectual arrogance.

Expecting bubble-gum at a good meal restaurant is a better analogy of what that poster said and implied (`As far as the videos are concerned, they're very low quality compared to what the medium is capable of.` if videos is the food and restaurant is the medium then it follows you don't go to a MacDonald and expect a $400 meal). No one is expecting TV shows or HBO content on tiktok and no one is expecting nutritional content from bubble-gum.

> Your attempts to resort to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks also don't help your case or even your ability to support your accusation.

Hey, I am not the one comparing apple to oranges and reducing tiktok content to MacDonald food in order to make the point that HBO is better and thus tiktok is garbage.

He doesn't like MacDonald ? Good for him. But this sounds just like the "stop liking things I don't like" meme.

> It is what it is, and just pointing out that stuff made with cheap passive fast mass consumption in mind is not arrogance or pseudo-intellectual.

But reducing tiktok to that is. (quote `Tiktok is gifs with sound filmed on a cell phone` which is technically wrong and intellectually dishonest since it conveniently ignores what tiktok content is).

But I see what you did here. You could have written it like “Everyone can now unlock the power of its smartphones to easily produce and share some kind of content to audiences that appreciate it, thus realizing one of the web2.0 era objectives of user generated content".

But no, you used term like "stuff" and "cheap" (go tell that to some teens and people that put hours into their 10 seconds video that the whole thing is cheap).

I get it, tiktok is beneath you and you don't like it. Assume it. But don't go around trying to justify it by comparing it to something it's not and that you happen to like better and expect no backlash if that's all the critic you can make.

> Your attempts to resort to name-calling and ad-hominem attacks also don't help your case or even your ability to support your accusation.

Except I didn't. Name-calling would have been "you are an arrogant pseudo intellectual". I clearly stated his claims were pseudo-intellectual arrogance, which is about a statement not the person.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by nl on Saturday August 01, 2020 @05:03AM (#24018935)
> but those and Tiktok pale in comparison to, say, HBO

And HBO pales in comparison to live theatre. But that's pretty irrelevant.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by rsa25519 on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:07AM (#24018345)
Note also that if you skip a video quickly, TikTok will show fewer of that type of video, which I think is a fantastic feature
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by logicchains on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:59AM (#24018633)
If you press and hold over a video, it also has an option to tell it that you want to see fewer videos like that, which seems to work fairly well. Unlike Youtube, where even if I downvote a video, it will keep showing it.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by IkmoIkmo on Saturday August 01, 2020 @11:06AM (#24020985)
> No, that's unfair, you are saying all of tiktok content is low quality noise, which is wrong

I mean, just list the top 10 tiktoks ever, or even top 100... rank them on metrics like content, depth, purpose, knowledge. Then compare them to other platforms or content formats. It'll rank quite low.

Of course if you rank it on other things like stickiness/addictiveness, fun, humor, aesthetic, novelty etc, it'll rank perhaps quite high for what it is (3-10 seconds usually)

I think in the end it really depends what you're looking for when deciding whether something is low-quality noise.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by xnx on Saturday August 01, 2020 @07:39PM (#24024904)
I really like the variety that is in my feed now that it has a history of what I've liked. The "top" tiktoks are not representative of what's in my feed at all. I'd wager that the top 10 most viewed TV shows also fare pretty poorly if rated them on content, depth, purpose, etc.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by maltelandwehr on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:17AM (#24018117)
Low quality? TikTok videos are much better (in terms of story arc and editing) than Videos on other social networks. And it takes one swipe to go to the next video. The repeated jokes are part of the TikTok culture. Pure copycats will normally not go viral - only adaptions that add their own spin.

I agree that it is an insane time killer. But that is because the content is so good and presented in and addictive way.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by mantap on Saturday August 01, 2020 @02:35AM (#24018213)
When I tried tiktok it seemed to only give me videos by British schoolkids. Maybe the content is better in some regions than others but the whole region locking thing stinks.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by iKevinShah on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:01AM (#24018319)
One of the factors might be region but also:

> Consumers (audience) side: Tik Tok use AI to calculate what content will be the best fit for the consumer. When consumer use the app, consumers even do not need to put their preference. AI will automatically get a sizeable database of the consumers’ behaviors.

Source: https://digital.hbs.edu/platform-digit/submission/tik-tok-us...

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by Seasonwreckage on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:40AM (#24018525)
i need my freedom
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by johnchristopher on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:15AM (#24018717)
And Tiktok took it away from you ?
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by Seasonwreckage on Saturday August 01, 2020 @07:59AM (#24019795)
I was replying to the fact that essentially in China you cant poke fun at the CCP in any way. Videos of Winnie the Pooh constumes will get you banned even in the US and possibly get you on a Chinese watch list for when you travel to the mainland and Hong Kong too nowadays.

There is all this flashy stuff, dances, lip sync, jokes and all that but a sinister shadowy world in the background. Just wondering when people are going to abandon convenience and take up freedom.

Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by ficklepickle on Saturday August 01, 2020 @08:31AM (#24019978)
Please read "the machine stops" by E.M. Forrester
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by xoxoy on Saturday August 01, 2020 @03:17AM (#24018391)
TikTok makes me nauseous. It’s literally crazy to me that we’ve normalized an app targeted to kids and teens that encourages them to make hypersexualized mini music videos that rewards the “sexiest” videos with likes/followers/views. The absolute creepiest part is that anyone can browse and fully download any video without even logging in. You would have to be completely naive to think that there aren’t a million pedophiles on TikTok everyday downloading content of teenage girls and boys twerking to Nicki Minaj songs without a trace. All while we sit back and laugh about it like we’re on Facebook circa 2009.
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by ehsankia on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:42AM (#24018832)
How long have you used it for, and do you make liberal use of "Not Interested"?
Re:Microsoft is reportedly in talks to buy TikTok's US opera... by PopeDotNinja on Saturday August 01, 2020 @04:49AM (#24018868)
Regarding content quality, I don’t see TikTok isn’t meant to be an epic dessert at a 3 star restaurant. I see it as a can of Pringles when I have the munchies.