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Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by actuator on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:46PM (#24002671)
Wow, the numbers that AAPL, AMZN, FB have reported. While everyone struggled I guess mid/big tech companies were unaffected.

I am surprised ad industry is not affected heavily. Isn't ads the first thing a company will cut if things look bleak.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by basch on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:07PM (#24002843)
Facebook has a very long tail of advertisers in line for spots. The biggest companies boycotting just gave the same ad space to smaller companies. Facebooks business is built exceptionally well to be resilient to these sorts of boycotts, and the results are in the pudding. Facebook revenue YoY up 11% and Alphabet down 2%.

>[At Facebook] Q1 2019 the top 100 advertisers made up less than 20% of the company’s ad revenue; most of the $69.7 billion the company brought in last year came from its long tail of 8 million advertisers.

>This focus on the long-tail, which is only possible because of Facebook’s fully automated ad-buying system, has turned out to be a tremendous asset during the coronavirus slow-down.

>This explains why the news about large CPG companies boycotting Facebook is, from a financial perspective, simply not a big deal. Unilever’s $11.8 million in U.S. ad spend, to take one example, is replaced with the same automated efficiency that Facebook’s timeline ensures you never run out of content. Moreover, while Facebook loses some top-line revenue — in an auction-based system, less demand corresponds to lower prices — the companies that are the most likely to take advantage of those lower prices are those that would not exist without Facebook, like the direct-to-consumer companies trying to steal customers from massive conglomerates like Unilever.

>In this way Facebook has a degree of anti-fragility that even Google lacks: so much of its business comes from the long tail of Internet-native companies that are built around Facebook from first principles, that any disruption to traditional advertisers — like the coronavirus crisis or the current boycotts — actually serves to strengthen the Facebook ecosystem at the expense of the TV-centric ecosystem of which these CPG companies are a part.

from https://stratechery.com/2020/apple-and-facebook/

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by actuator on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:25AM (#24008843)
Yeah, that's interesting. I would have assumed the tail to shorten as well though. I am guessing digital businesses are a significant part of the tail.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by Snoozle on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:54PM (#24002751)
Not really. Ads done properly are heavily tracked from appearance on a page to purchase of an item. When campaigns are no longer bringing in more revenue than they are costing, those campaigns are suspended. It has nothing to do with anything else, just if money in > money out.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by mic47 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:53PM (#24002737)
They will not cut ads off. They will try to consolidate ads and use ad budget more efficiently. Most likely, google, facebook ads are more likely more effective than non-targeted ads like TV, so while total ads budget goes down, targeted ads budget don't.

Or there could be other effect...

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by adventured on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:53PM (#24002731)
I think the ad market was heavily affected. We saw that with Snap for example (their stock fell badly on the earnings release as it disappointed). Google just reported the first revenue decline in their history. Facebook's sales growth rate was a mere 11%, which is the slowest in their history and is very slow for them. It probably would have been considerably higher in normal times (more like ~18%-25% or more). Forecasts across the ad industry are quite weak going forward.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by reaperducer on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:54PM (#24003273)
Isn't ads the first thing a company will cut if things look bleak.

It depends on the advertiser and the industry. For example, immediately after 9/11, and again when states started locking down, ads for local auto dealers evaporated almost overnight. But others were ready to take their place.

I wonder if it's also because these are Q2 results, and those ad campaigns would already have been budgeted and allocated. But I don't know what Facebook's Q2 months are.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by elorant on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:42PM (#24003179)
The majority of ads on FB are from e-commerce sites, and e-commerce skyrocketed during the pandemic.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by mytailorisrich on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:06PM (#24002834)
These good results were expected.

Working from home and lockdowns in general.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by overcast on Thursday July 30, 2020 @04:52PM (#24002725)
Those AMZN numbers are completely nonsensical, how do you beat estimates by 9x? Who the hell did that estimating???
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by nostrademons on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:20PM (#24002949)
Because Amazon is comparatively low-margin vs. other tech companies, improved revenue has a much greater effect on earnings. Amazon's revenue was $88.9B vs. $81.24B expected. That's each household spending about 10% more from Amazon, which is pretty reasonable with lockdown and nobody going to brick & mortar retail outlets. But with expenses at around $80B, that translates into earnings of $10.30/share vs. $1.51.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by mikeschmatz on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:50PM (#24003229)
> Because Amazon is comparatively low-margin vs. other tech companies, improved revenue has a much greater effect on earnings.

Are you saying that 10% revenue increase has led to 10x earnings beat? That doesn't make any sense.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by esoterica on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:27PM (#24003524)
How does basic arithmetic not make sense?

If you were expected to make $1.01 and spend $1, and instead you made $1.10 and spent $1, your revenue only beat by 9% but your income beat by 900%.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by UncleMeat on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:22PM (#24003497)
If a lot of their costs are fixed it makes sense.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by selectodude on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:00PM (#24002804)
Amazon promised to spend all of their profits on reinvestment into the company, but they didn't.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by donor20 on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:19PM (#24002946)
Uh? They expected to have $4B in profit, said they may spend $4B on extra expenses this period -> but demand has SOARED and they already huge, so absolutely pumping out the $.

I know we've read about the major strikes by Amazon workers here repeatedly (supposedly all of them walking out etc). Doesn't seem to have affected the top line sales at least.

Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by mikeschmatz on Thursday July 30, 2020 @06:09PM (#24003401)
You purposely set them very low, then "beat" them and watch stock price go to the moon.
Re:Facebook reports second quarter results by crdrost on Thursday July 30, 2020 @05:02PM (#24002823)
Possible that estimates were before COVID was affecting us?