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Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by belorn on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @07:19PM (#23981738)
Renewables are only safer and cheaper bet once the battery issue is solved and can be made equally green, safe and cheap. The primary reason why nuclear isn't commercial viable today is that combining natural gas and renewables makes for a very cheap energy grid.
Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by imtringued on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:27AM (#23984897)
There is no "battery issue". There are lots of energy storage mechanisms that work well in combination. [0]

What you said is a tautology and brought nothing new to the table. (non cheap) nuclear can't compete against cheap renewables. Everyone knows that but almost nobody knows why nuclear is so expensive today.

The reason why nuclear power is not commercially viable is that it doesn't benefit from economies of scale. If you build custom tailored humongous monolithic nuclear plants you're going to pay a huge amount of money. Just think about how expensive it would be to build one giant solar panel with a total area of 1 km² instead of a million 1m² panels. It's absolutely nonsensical yet it happens every single time a nuclear plant is being constructed. The few success stories like France simply standardized on a single design. General corruption and budget bloat probably did more to stop nuclear than all anti nuclear hipsters combined.

[0] https://cleantechnica.com/2020/02/09/correcting-anti-renewab...

Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by worik on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @08:20PM (#23982154)
Nope.

There are other alternatives, and grid scale batteries are viable now. Just cheaper to burn gas/coal and fsck the future!

The obvious alternative is pumped hydro, that is well established. Another is demand management, unexplored because the greed heads in control do not believe that our society can work together for the common good.

Coming from Aotearoa, as I do, I know that is a fat lie.

Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by belorn on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:38AM (#23984945)
Currently there does not exist a commercial viable pumped hydro installation in the world that buy overcapacity renewable energy and later sells it at a profit. There are a few experimental and proof of concept installations that demonstrate the possibility of hydro as a battery, and at least one operate as an additional reservoir to a hydro dam, but the commercial viability of buying cheap renewable energy to pump water in order to generate electricity later when the price is high is not yet here.

Demand management is also a great idea in concept but the commercial viability is questionable as long as people can just turn on the cheap gas burners. Commercially, turning off production and keep the industry closed when renewable are not producing is much more expensive compared to just paying what ever price society currently demands when burning fossil fuels.

Remove fossil fuels from being viable choice in the energy grid and the economic viability would change dramatically for every other energy source, including hydro pumps and nuclear. Demand management might even become a possible strategy to a point where it can have an significant impact on the energy grid. For now most grids operates by combining cheap renewable with cheap fossil fuels, with the environment taking the real cost when the fossil fuels burns.

Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by indigo945 on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @03:35AM (#23984258)
Another alternative is to just build so many renewable energy plants that demand can be served even when production is comparatively low. During peak production hours, you can just blow the energy back into the atmosphere (or run a steel mill with it). This is a question of political will, and nothing more.
Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by aspenmayer on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @09:46PM (#23982708)
I have seen Aoraki with my own eyes, and I understand what you seek to protect.
Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by worik on Wednesday July 29, 2020 @05:52PM (#23991979)
For the locals Aoraki is a literal ancestor.

So it is not my job, it is taken care of.

Re:ITER: World's largest nuclear fusion project begins assembly by aspenmayer on Friday July 31, 2020 @10:53AM (#24009163)
I suppose I was unclear. Please forgive me. We need to protect the idea of preservation in culture and society, so that future people also hold these ideals of caretaking and awareness of our ancestors, including the planet and life itself, to be true.