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Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mrtksn on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:36AM (#23937141)
It's little bit like the tragedy of the rich people's kids: No matter how brilliant you are, many people would simply assume that you have been given the easy route thanks to daddy.

Surely it is annoying and may make achievers to prove themselves over and over again, I don't think that it is big enough of an issue to dismiss programs that are designed to tackle real issues in the society. It's just that people should know where to stop and don't try to implement these in communities where less than perfect but good-enough status is achieved.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bananaface on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:48AM (#23937211)
I honestly don't have much sympathy for that particular plight. Living in the shadow of your parents is the tax you pay for being born into tremendous wealth? Sign me up.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mrtksn on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:58AM (#23937297)
See, you assume that just because they are kids of rich people, they must be some kind of leech. It's deeply similar to all kind of discrimination but at least they can cry in their summer mansion sipping some nice French wine.

It's well known fact that kids of alumni traditionally get accepted in their fathers ivy-league alma matter, but god forbid if few minority kids get an easy way in, then you have viral videos about how it's impossible to get into SOMETHING unless you are black asian gay.

Apple makes a summer coding camp for girls, and you have men crying all over the internet that it's now impossible for men to make career tech anymore.

I mean, I myself have some macho pride(in a sence that men should have some qualities, like not crying when something is not happening the way they want and so on) and makes me cringe when I see an able bodied man crying about how a school girl got an easy way and she is not better than him but he got left out. I think Greta Thunberg struck a cord there, it was hard to watch grown up men having their egos crushed by a teenager.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bananaface on Friday July 24, 2020 @05:22AM (#23937437)
Look, I think you have an axe to grind and I'm probably not the right person to talk to about this. Yes, I think sipping wine in the Hamptons is better than worrying about your next rent payment in the Bronx.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mrtksn on Friday July 24, 2020 @05:28AM (#23937460)
Everything is relative, worrying about your next rent payment in bronx gives you tremendous security, opportunity and wealth compared to most people in the world.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by JoshTko on Monday July 27, 2020 @08:25AM (#23964407)
This has to be a joke.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bananaface on Friday July 24, 2020 @05:57AM (#23937617)
Oh come on
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by rahulrrixe on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:27AM (#23938165)
It can be put simply like where the struggle for rich kids start; that is the zenith of success for poor kids.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mrtksn on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:23AM (#23939141)
I think it's a good summery. Just remember that, when interpolated more widely, it applies to everybody in all kind of settings. Getting into a position where they can worry about paying the rent in Bronx is the dream of many people who have much more serious things to worry. It doesn't even need to be about material things.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Shacklz on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:00AM (#23937992)
> No matter how brilliant you are, many people would simply assume that you have been given the easy route thanks to daddy.

Probably still easier to pretend that you come from nothing than being successful while actually coming from nothing.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by SuoDuanDao on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:55AM (#23940988)
There seems to be a real tradeoff in how the Americas vs the old world see 'coming from a good family'. Our mythology on this side of the pond is so focused on the idea that everyone is inherently equal and capable of achieving great things, that we celebrate and even embellish when someone successfully changes their social class.

The downside is that we lack a sense of nobless oblige. the idea that much will be demanded of those to whom much is given doesn't mesh well with our values of universal humanism - people born to privilege on this side of the pond seem to have more of a sense of guilt than duty about that fact.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Cthulhu_ on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:56AM (#23937959)
I have no sympathies for people like that; they live risk-free and can live comfortably off their parents' money. A lot of the role models / founders / Trump got kickstarted into their career because of money from parents + the social safety net they offered.

If you have nothing, and if your parents have nothing, you can't risk it on a new venture.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by ethanbond on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:36AM (#23938250)
Yeah, this is a seriously under appreciated effect in Silicon Valley founder culture. “Just send it bro,” and “failure is totally cool,” are both much easier beliefs to hold when you’re getting an allowance and, in the absolute worst case scenario, could get your rent, phone bill, and healthcare paid for by mom and dad for even a few months.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by SuoDuanDao on Friday July 24, 2020 @12:00PM (#23941055)
It seems to me, despite the issues we're seeing with their offerings, that society gained a lot of value from what those lucky few were able to do. It is an unacknowledged reality worth thinking about, but I hope the discussion centers around how more people can be afforded the opportunity to fail.