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Re:Who gets invited to the party? by leafboi on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:22AM (#23937046)
As a male Asian American I have been attacked by the system from both a discrimination standpoint, a biased standpoint and a class elitism standpoint.

Where I stand right now even my own race, asian females prefer to date white males over their own race. If you don't believe me watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJ8LzkIfmxw. That's just one aspect of the extent of racism we suffer from. It's so bad that females of our own race are disgusted with males of the same race.

I've seen a lot of racism, I've had to battle a lot of the challenges of simply being an asian in a white dominated country, my parents had an even harder time with the language barrier when they first jumped off the boat with literally a dollar in their pocket.

Despite all of this, from my own personal experience I will say this:

The lack of diversity in tech is mostly a pipeline problem. Certain races or cultures or sexes simply don't want to go into tech or aren't willing to put in the effort. You don't even need to go to college anymore to get in, the financial barriers of entry for tech are extremely low.

That is not to say racism is not a problem in tech, but it is by far a pipeline problem by a huge margin. As a member of a minority who has experienced a lot of racism, I will say that for tech specifically, the racism/sexism problem is overblown. If you don't trust my anecdotal experience then google which race has the highest average income in the United States: Asians.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by KMag on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:32AM (#23937806)
I haven't walked a single step in your shoes, and I don't know what racism you yourself have experienced.

However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans.

The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent.

I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent.

As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by KMag on Friday July 24, 2020 @11:04AM (#23940331)
On a side note, my wife was asking me about bullying in the US, and then stopped and said "oh, but you would have been the smartest one in the class, so the bullies would have left you alone". Bless her heart, she figured American bullies worked like bullies in Asia.

If you're smart, went to a top school, and have a good job, most Asian cultures will tolerate a lot of nerdiness out of you.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by leafboi on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:38PM (#23942274)
>The racism I've seen against Asians from whites is primarily mistrust, not fear. A racist hiring manager is likely to look at you and think you'll do good work for the company, but they'll have to keep an eye on you. I think it's rare that racist idiots look at your skin and think you're dumb, lazy, and violent.

I agree this exists but I think most white people in general are just really afraid of being called racist and would never consciously do something racist. Overall, I think the racism that is most prevalent in Tech is subconscious. White people have a bias towards white people that they aren't aware about... that's all. Most white people keep friends that are also by majority white and likely they did not choose that outcome deliberately. So yeah, a "racist" hiring manager might keep an eye on an Asian, but they will likely not be aware they're doing it based on race. Again, not saying this is 100% the case and there are definitely people who consciously discriminate, but I believe that for the majority of white people, it is subconscious. I don't know your opinion on that, as a white person I'm sure you may have a better perspective.

>However, having been in predominantly Chinese and Korean social circles, I have had more than a few conversations on the subject and have observed quite a bit of racism towards Asian-Americans.

Racism is prevalent for sure, but again, I was just emphasizing a very specific thing: the lack of diversity in tech. I'm not saying racism doesn't exist. But for diversity in tech I believe it's mostly similar to the pipeline problem for ballerinas. There is an extreme lack of males trying to become ballerinas... I think we can both agree that the disparity exists not due to extreme sexism by females trying to put a complete stop on all males from entering the industry.

>I think the racism against black people in the U.S. is different both in kind and degree vs. the racism against persons of East Asian or South Asian decent.

It is different, no question. However I would say that the a great portion of the differences in treatment actually stem from a generalized reputation that is an exaggeration of very real statistical difference between races. You may look at a random Asian stranger and a random African American stranger and predict the Asian stranger is more affluent. This assumption isn't just a baseless stereotype... it stems from an actual statistical reality. Asians are statistically more affluent than African Americans. Is it racist to make predictions about individual people based off of probabilities? We use probability to predict all kinds of outcomes for all kinds of things... but it becomes immoral when we use it on race? I have no answer for what's the right way to deal with this moral conflict, but I feel it is important to pose the question nonetheless.

>As far as dating, as a white guy over 6 feet tall, I've run into a lot more Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating guys over 6 feet rather than Asian women who seem primarily interested in dating white guys. Maybe that's a common convenient lie because it's more politically acceptable. However, at least 2 of them later married 6-foot tall Chinese guys, and I think the majority were being honest about their preferences.

There's a very real race thing going on here. Just watch that video I posted, those women are clearly talking about race, not height. There's other videos as well...:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52dQSX-DCN0

While most women do have a huge bias for height and white males tend to be taller than asian males I do believe there is a separate phenomenon going on here in terms of race.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by DSingularity on Friday July 24, 2020 @04:58AM (#23937295)
It can be difficult to “put in the effort” when most of your energy is spent to survive. Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by s5300 on Friday July 24, 2020 @05:21AM (#23937432)
Hmm... maybe my view is skewed coming from extreme poverty, but shouldn't

>Not everyone enjoys the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22.

Be

"Most people don't get to enjoy the luxury of being able to focus on school and extra curriculars from 14-22." ?

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by FeepingCreature on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:49AM (#23937926)
"enjoys" can mean "gets to".
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by s5300 on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:16AM (#23938103)
Meaning of the comment was that "most people" entails a higher percentage than "not everybody" (IMO, atleast) though I can see how you interpreted it the way you did. I didn't word it very well, nor did I this. Perks of pandemic sleep schedule.
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Re:Who gets invited to the party? by dang on Tuesday July 28, 2020 @02:51AM (#23973019)
Please don't post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what this site is for, and it destroys what it is for.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by tasogare on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:38AM (#23938268)
No he’s right on the Asian women dating more White than Asian. It’s pretty well documented in the Asian American community.

That being said, a lot of that is probably due to attitude of the guys. I live in Japan and even here I hear things like "it’s easy for you to get a girlfriend because your are white". This is dumb for a lot a reasons, including the fact the sheer majority of Japanese girl wants to have local boyfriend, not a foreigner they can’t even communicate properly with. Now, when I ask them about the last time they did nanpa (street pickup), or set a date with a girl they like or any action whatsoever towards the opposite sex the answer is zilch. I asked my own girlfriend when she was once teasing me about the important number of guys who would like to have a relationship with her why did she chose me over the others... answer was something akin to "oh, I know they like me, but noone told it nor invited me to a date". I suspect a lot of angry Asian guys who are alone are also in the low side of taking action.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by csomar on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:33AM (#23938692)
TikTok/Zoom were vilified because of their relationship to China, and not their founder's race.

The Japanese race is considered positively in many cultures/countries. So your point is not really accurate.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Cthulhu_ on Friday July 24, 2020 @06:57AM (#23937965)
You need to stop referring to women as "females".
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by bluedevil2k on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:26AM (#23938638)
No he doesn’t. We all know what he meant and don’t need a moral microscope on every word everyone says.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by nicoburns on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:12AM (#23938526)
I used to think that "female" was just a slightly offensive synonym for "woman", but in a world where transgender people exist, it seems useful to be able to distinguish between "male/female" (someone's biological makeup)", and "man/woman" (someone's gender identity).

And in the context of dating and sexuality, it might well be the biological differences that are relevant.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by pseudalopex on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:01PM (#23945367)
The video talks about women.

Few people care about sex but not gender.[1][2]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attraction_to_transgender_peop...

[2] https://www.them.us/story/cis-trans-dating

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by nicoburns on Saturday July 25, 2020 @08:11AM (#23948596)
> Few people care about sex but not gender.[1][2]

I don't think your sources support that statement. For example, [2] says:

> Surprisingly, among the 127 participants open to dating a trans person, almost half selected a trans person of a gender incongruent with their stated sexual orientation. For example, 50% of the trans-inclusive straight women and 28% of the trans-inclusive gay men were willing to date a trans woman, even though one wouldn’t expect either straight women or gay men to be attracted to women. Similarly, 50% of trans-inclusive straight men and 69% of trans-inclusive lesbians said they’d date a trans man, even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women.

This suggests that for between 28%-69% of people, it is the persons sex rather than their gender which is important for their sexuality. This result is unlikely to be due to transphobia as these are people have specifically indicated they would be interested in dating trans people.

The article says "even though both groups are presumably only attracted to women". It seems to me that this presumption is simply wrong. For many people, their sexuality is defined by sex and not gender.

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by pseudalopex on Sunday August 02, 2020 @11:20PM (#24033900)
11.5% of gay men said they would date a trans person. 28% of 11.5% said yes to trans women but all of them said yes to trans men too.

29% of lesbians said they would date a trans person. 38% of 29% only said yes to trans men and 31% of 29% said yes to both.

The article doesn't have the same information for straight people but only 1.8% of straight women and 3.3% of straight men said they would date a trans person at all. So 0% of gay men, 11% of lesbians, maybe 0.9% of straight women, and maybe 1.7% of straight men would consider sex but not gender. Probably the real percentages are lower. Probably some straight people said yes to both. Many straight men attracted to trans women wouldn't date one.

Porn with trans women is much more popular than porn with trans men. The primary demographic for porn with trans men is gay men[1] even though at least 10x as many men are straight.

The other studies also found few men only attracted to trans women and cis men.

[1] https://www.ibtimes.com/transgender-porn-best-seller-it-good...

Re:Who gets invited to the party? by mxaKla on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:03AM (#23938014)
No one needs to adjust his speech at all. Where does that idea come from? 20th century style oppressive socialism?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Wurlitzer on Friday July 24, 2020 @07:32AM (#23938223)
What is oppressive socialism?
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by atroche on Friday July 24, 2020 @08:17AM (#23938569)
I'm guessing they mean USSR- or CCP-style totalitarianism.
Re:Who gets invited to the party? by Wurlitzer on Friday July 24, 2020 @10:01AM (#23939583)
Ah, don't know why I didn't think of that.