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Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by count on Thursday July 23, 2020 @04:35PM (#23931953)
Except they get audited by 3rd parties on statements like that, and have controls tested. It's not like they're just ... digital ocean or somebody.
Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by jasonjayr on Thursday July 23, 2020 @05:39PM (#23932598)
Do you have evidence of this claim re DO?

I worked with a DO on an technical issue, and they were steadfastly against me granting them temporary access to our servers even though it would have made the issue easier to diagnose. Cloud provider that verifiably get caught doing this will quickly lose the trust of all their large customers

Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by webo on Thursday July 23, 2020 @06:09PM (#23933034)
DO doesn't have a great track record for customer trust. I run personal workload but couldn't recommend it over AWS to a larger company.

  - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23117660
  - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20064169
Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by StopHammoTime on Thursday July 23, 2020 @08:26PM (#23934319)
Sales != Engineering (in regards to the first one), AWS have had similar issues. The second one wasn't good.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/aws-error-exposed-godaddy-serv...

Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by hinkley on Thursday July 23, 2020 @09:58PM (#23934899)
There comes a point where your pricing is so opaque and confusing that it's indistinguishable from lying.

Those people are jealous of AWS.

Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by danaris on Saturday July 25, 2020 @09:32AM (#23949042)
Reading through that second one, while the inciting incident was certainly pretty bad, their eventual response was, to my mind, all that could be hoped from a company in this day and age:

https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/an-update-on-last-weeks-cu...?

They recognized that their processes were too mechanistic and inhuman, and introduced a lot more compassion and open communication into them—and even chose to spend more money on hiring people to reduce ticket queue wait times.

I'd say that speaks volumes in DigitalOcean's favour.

Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by discodave on Friday July 24, 2020 @01:45AM (#23936158)
The audits check that controls are in place, not that the controls are technically bulletproof or people-proof.

Source: Worked at AWS for several years including working on systems that had audit requirements for [secret project where I could not know the name of the customer because I don't have TOP SECRET security clearance].

Re:Amazon met with startups about investing, then launched c... by count on Friday July 24, 2020 @09:51PM (#23946259)
Nobody said things were perfect or bullet proof. But that they are there, and it's not just 'trust us'. And it's not just single technical controls - the control regimes include mitigations against technical failure and requirements for ways to catch collusion and actions taken outside of authority.

And there are lots of things that many folks at the big cloud providers don't know about their internal threat management and monitoring. Source: Audited most of them for that customer you weren't allowed to know the name of. :)