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Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by riffraff on Thursday July 23, 2020 @12:58AM (#23924301)
I believe the "if you live a good life you go to heaven" is a common tenet of many Christian denominations since the Vatican Council.

At least, I recall my religion teacher (a catholic priest, we have such a class in public schools in Italy tho they vary in content and quality) telling us that some decades ago.

You do not go to heaven if you're an atheist tho, as _denying_ there is something divine puts you in the bad list, sorry.

Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by kmonsen on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:47AM (#23924492)
I mean does it really matter what the church says? The important part is what God actually thinks here and that seems to be very different depending on who you ask.
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by dvfjsdhgfv on Thursday July 23, 2020 @02:32AM (#23924734)
To be more precise, what matters is not so much what God/gods "think", but what they want us to do. In this case, the textual foundation for Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus is Mark 16:16: "Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved; whoever does not believe will be condemned." Assuming these really are the words of Jesus, they leave very little for interpretation, no matter what Vaticanum II says.
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by GoblinSlayer on Thursday July 23, 2020 @03:44AM (#23925093)
Only if your priest disallows other interpretations. Here people can disagree what constitutes faith. Many Christians believe that God is everything good, so if you share good values, it's thinkable you are effectively a decent Christian. But yeah, for Protestants faith is formality: if you only believe in these and these letters and remain a miserable sinner, you get a ticket to heaven.
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by sorokod on Thursday July 23, 2020 @03:51AM (#23925136)
These can not be the words of Jesus since the language of these words did not exist at the time (assuming a deity that doesn't express itself in yet unformed languages).
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by vabadus on Thursday July 23, 2020 @08:58AM (#23926842)
Is this better?

"ὁ πιστεύσας καὶ βαπτισθεὶς σωθήσεται, ὁ δὲ ἀπιστήσας κατακριθήσεται."

That's the closest we can get, although Jesus would have assumedly spoken these words in Aramaic, not Greek.

Source: http://bibletranslation.ws/trans/markwgrk.pdf

Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by Y_Y on Thursday July 23, 2020 @08:58AM (#23926851)
God would hardly allow the church to go around spreading falsehoods, would He? Surely the various Popes/Patriarchs/Grand Wizards are just a mouthpiece for the almighty and all of his confusing and inconsistent proclamations.
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by golem14 on Thursday July 23, 2020 @03:35AM (#23925051)
That's a fairly new development BTW, I believe 2005-2007. Before that, unbaptized "good" souls were collecting dust in limbo.
Re:Breach exposed more than one million DNA profiles on a ma... by lukejduncan on Thursday July 23, 2020 @01:17AM (#23924384)
Definitely not on the Protestant branch of things.