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Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by djhaskin987 on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:29AM (#23894667)
I got a buddy who works for DSCO, a company which, among other things, sells software that makes it easy for brick-and-mortar stores to sell products online and have the products ship from the retailer's warehouses. Around the time of the pandemic, they change their software so that the stores themselves would look like warehouses to the software. That way, they could ship from any of these so-called warehouses and then support ship-from-store on the websites of their customers. This functionality was sort of in in demand before the pandemic, but many potential customer said "no thanks, we'll build it ourselves". After the pandemic hit, everyone went scrambling to DSCO for help to support ship-from-store.

This article seems to talk about the next logical step away from ship-from-store: turn the store into a shipping yard.

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by TMWNN on Monday July 20, 2020 @05:03AM (#23896065)
>I got a buddy who works for DSCO, a company which, among other things, sells software that makes it easy for brick-and-mortar stores to sell products online and have the products ship from the retailer's warehouses.

I always wondered why more stores didn't do this. I had Best Buy have another store ship directly to my home when phones I wanted to buy weren't available in the local location, Bealls Florida fulfill an online order from three different retail stores, and I think I read a while ago of Walmart planning on doing this to fight Amazon Prime 2-day shipping but, otherwise, any online order would come from some warehouse somewhere no matter how many or few retail locations that company had near me. Your friend's experience of companies trying (and mostly failing, obviously) to build such capability inhouse would help explain this.

Such capability would also help retail customers by improving the accuracy of in-store inventories that appear online.

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by treis on Monday July 20, 2020 @09:46AM (#23897753)
>I always wondered why more stores didn't do this.

It's not an efficient way to ship stuff. Wandering around a store picking an order takes much longer than an optimized warehouse.

Square footage is much more expensive retail than in a warehouse. So the area (if there's even room for it) where you pack and ship stuff costs more.

Shipping is more expensive because you are doing a few boxes a day instead of a semi-truck a day to UPS/FedEx/USPS

It just doesn't work that well. Fine as a stop gap for a small retailer dipping their toes in the online market. But for any sort of scale the warehouse model is much better.

I think the article is way off here. Yeah, some Sam's Clubs in the middle of nowhere were converted and a high end retailer has the margins to absorb the inefficiency. But the idea that existing retail is going to convert to warehouses at any sort of scale is laughable. The real estate costs are prohibitive and they'll end up somewhere an hour away where land is cheap.

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by coredog64 on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:45PM (#23899553)
I’d add that order picking from retail shelves is pretty disruptive to retail customers with any volume. Every trip to the grocery store sees the popular aisle clogged with an employee picking 6 or 12 orders. Meanwhile the in-person customers stack up waiting for the picker to finish. It wouldn’t be so bad except the stores also put all kinds of impulse buy islands into the flow of traffic so that you can’t even transit the block.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by nitrogen on Monday July 20, 2020 @02:55PM (#23900766)
IMO stores should pick by department, not order, then in the back room use put-to-light to divvy up the picks.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by TMWNN on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:50AM (#23899008)
Let me clarify. I agree that in general having a centralized warehouse handle online orders is better than having retail stores do so, for the same reason why FedEx and UPS are more efficient in using a central transit hub in Kentucky/Tennessee even for an overnight package going from one location to another in the same city.

But surely even better is both? Have an online warehouse handle most orders, but have the inventory system integrated across warehouses and stores, so that if it turns out that an item is a) available in a store in the same metro area as the customer, and/or b) is out of stock in the warehouse, a store employee can pick and pack the order during a free moment and have the order arrive at the customer the next day?

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by treis on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:47PM (#23899567)
Retail usually operates on thin margins. It's probably not cost effective to do that.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by aty268 on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:00AM (#23897906)
Wouldn't delivery be cheaper? Why are they shipping locally?
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by thebean11 on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:20AM (#23898108)
I'm guessing having your own delivery trucks would be cheaper, but only if you're doing enough volume (like, multiple packages per neighborhood per week). Walmart could probably get there, but not sure about smaller stores (even Best Buy).
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by aqme28 on Monday July 20, 2020 @12:17PM (#23899281)
They also have to be shipped to the store. End-to-end shipping costs won't be that different between the warehouse model or the retail model.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by aty268 on Wednesday July 22, 2020 @01:38PM (#23919505)
Hmm so why set up shop in a retail outlet then? Why not just ship directly from the warehouse?

If i'm understanding, the article is talking about using the retail outlet as a warehouse, where you have the items shipped from a warehouse to your retail outlet, and then shipped again to buyers.

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by nekoashide on Monday July 20, 2020 @08:56AM (#23897303)
The reason is that retail stores don't have the space to store products and it's expected by the consumer that when you walk into a store products should be in-stock. All inventory at a retail location is supposed to be just-in-time and for the area that they service so they do not support the warehouse model. Store like Hot Topic here in the US have been shipping from stores for some time and the idea behind this is that both warehouse and retail adhere to the just-in-time model.

That way product is no more likely to sit in a warehouse than it is at the retail location, there's no ship backs and markdowns are taken at the retail location. As a result inventory stays fresh and there's little to no overstock.

This does not work for all retailers as you can imagine, for for boutique stores with a limited number of SKU's it's enough to keep them afloat while still turning inventory and keeping retail locations staffed.

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by WrtCdEvrydy on Monday July 20, 2020 @03:00AM (#23895354)
Honestly I wish there was 'ship-a-replacement' to store.

If something is on Amazon, why can't I pick up from Home Deport and have them ship inventory to Home Depot to replace the thing I just picked up...

Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by cortesoft on Monday July 20, 2020 @09:52AM (#23897818)
If the item is at Home Depot and you want to pick it up... why not just get it from Home Depot?
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by WrtCdEvrydy on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:44AM (#23898933)
Pricing.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by lotsofpulp on Monday July 20, 2020 @02:02PM (#23900296)
How would you guarantee the item is not a counterfeit/broken in transit/transported at the right temperatures/etc?
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by talliedthoughts on Monday July 20, 2020 @06:48AM (#23896539)
They're competitors, and presumably are selling the item at different prices. If Amazon is cheaper, HD would have to give you the item for less than they normally sell it. If Amazon is more expensive, why not buy the thing directly from HD, you're going there to pick it up anyway.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by dutch3000 on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:12AM (#23896653)
Amazon used to always be cheaper. not any more. amazon has realized people shop it for convenience and not mainly for price.
Re:The Next Phase of the Retail Apocalypse: Stores Reborn as... by AndrewKemendo on Monday July 20, 2020 @11:06AM (#23898522)
Kohls has been doing exactly this a while with Amazon:

https://corporate.kohls.com/news/archive-/2019/july/kohl-s-n...