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Re:Tired of note-taking apps by Lammy on Sunday July 19, 2020 @11:56AM (#23890186)
It's amazing that people can witness POTUS 44→45 and still make "well I have nothing to hide" arguments :/
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by sneak on Sunday July 19, 2020 @11:58AM (#23890201)
Regardless of any political situation, it's a rather stark lack of imagination when one can not realize that there are people who are doing things entirely legal and reasonable that absolutely require privacy from the state for their own safety and success, such as labor leaders, political organizers, civil rights leaders, reporters researching state corruption, war crimes, or human rights abuses by the state itself, et c.
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by csydas on Sunday July 19, 2020 @12:53PM (#23890595)
Yes, but let's not conflate this specific use case with every day usage.

I'm a gigantic privacy advocate and probably senselessly cautious about tons of technologies, but that's the result of a conscious choice. Set and forget encryption, or programs that advertise they can skip the first step, are dangerous in my opinion/experience. It can give the wrong impression about security and lead to dangerous decisions/actions or lack thereof.

The concept behind thoughtless encryption is noble, but for all encryption models/schemes I know of, it has to be a concentrated and intentional decision else you end up with:

- Lost data due to key mismanagement (not a bad thing, but extremely inconvenient)

- Incomplete or ineffective encryption

- Vehicles for intentional deception that allow bad actors to get you to share sensitive/personal data under the impression that it's protected

and much much more.

Steve Yegge said it best when he said that Security and Usability are constantly at odds, and from my perspective, this is a good thing to some degree. With so many FUD apps that promise security, for the time being is a very convenient litmus test for laypersons to know "how much should I trust this app?"

I know that it's popular on HN to shit on Telegram, but in my current country of residence, Telegram is the most popular messenger program...for normal non-secretive messaging. It is extremely well known not to trust TG for secret conversations, illegal purchases or any other illegal activities, and so on. Not even on the basis of the security model of secret chats, but the discoverability of them. Basically the thought is "If you could find it without being a member of some ring of trust, so can the police". It's one reason why the conversations that frequently happen on HN about Telegram feel so misguided to me -- those who have conversations that may put themselves at risk __aren't using the app for such conversations__. They're not using any such apps, and either doing disposable communications (burner phones, pen and paper convos, etc), or they're arranging meetings in other ways.

Encryption/security has been commoditized by app and platform creators and packaged into a marketing tool. I wouldn't trust Telegram or Signal any more than I'd trust WhatsApp, Messenger, Messages, or whatever Google's monthly name for their chat app is to have such conversations in most countries.

To wrap it back to the GP's comment, I get the complaint about Apple Notes not being E2E encrypted -- but, if you've got sensitive data that needs to be recorded, why are you cloud-syncing it in the first place with a company that has frequently been investigated/prodded by the US Government, and even more frequently probed/violated by data exfiltration companies that work directly with the aforementioned government?

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by reaperducer on Sunday July 19, 2020 @02:30PM (#23891327)
It's amazing that people can witness POTUS 44→45 and still make "well I have nothing to hide" arguments :/

Unless you have a really short memory, I think you mean POTUS 39→45.

And while by a lot of measures POTUS 45 has been a disaster, POTUS 44 did far more damage to privacy than 45 has (yet).

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by Lammy on Sunday July 19, 2020 @03:21PM (#23891688)
I'm not talking about any specifics of either administration, only about having them back-to-back with polar-opposite reactions from most people. I hope that would make anyone on any side think twice before handing "their guy" some fun new weapon, but I probably hope for too much.
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by moneywoes on Sunday July 19, 2020 @04:59PM (#23892383)
Can you elaborate on this please?
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by peruvian on Sunday July 19, 2020 @05:28PM (#23892583)
It's not that complex. Our personal privacies have deteriorated with either party in power for decades. Both Dems and GOP have voted to extend the Patriot Act and similar acts. Most of the NSA/PRISM drama happened under Obama (PRISM in 2007 with Bush, to be fair) and I'm not sure anything changed by 2016.

So singling out Trump isn't really relevant or even useful.

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by Lammy on Sunday July 19, 2020 @06:54PM (#23893128)
A Story In Two Headlines:

"NSA offering 'billions' for Skype eavesdrop solution" (2009) — https://www.theregister.com/2009/02/12/nsa_offers_billions_f...

"Microsoft Buys Skype for $8.5 Billion. Why, Exactly?" (2011) — https://www.wired.com/2011/05/microsoft-buys-skype-2/

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by stu2b50 on Sunday July 19, 2020 @12:09PM (#23890275)
They're not saying they have nothing to hide, they're saying they're not joting down quick notes of anything they have to hide.
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by Lammy on Sunday July 19, 2020 @01:08PM (#23890714)
I would agree that self-censorship is one of the most insidious effects of surveillance if that's what you mean :)
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by lazyjones on Sunday July 19, 2020 @08:51PM (#23893700)
Carelessly making personal stuff available to interested parties was never a good idea in human history. You don't know who will see it in 10, 20, 50 years from now and what repercussions it might bring. So, hide your stuff by default and not based on your trust in the current administration or lack thereof.
Re:Tired of note-taking apps by GekkePrutser on Sunday July 19, 2020 @02:25PM (#23891287)
I have to agree...

I'm very conscious of this now when I'm talking on the phone. Not that I really have anything to hide, but I'm always wondering how something would be perceived by someone who is listening in.

It's not a nice feeling at all. This is one of the reasons I hate mass-surveillance so much. Just that feeling that everything I do or say is on the record.

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by lioeters on Sunday July 19, 2020 @03:01PM (#23891541)
Sadly, I find myself thinking similar paranoiac thoughts simply talking in person at home. We have a number of devices with microphones, and when friends visit, they bring their own devices with who knows what kind of untrustworthy apps (looking at you, Facebook!).

Sure, we're normal citizens with "nothing to hide" - but I've become wary of any possible channel of data collection, regardless of whether the end consumers are private parties or state agencies.

It's dystopian, that I'm having to consciously censor my speech in case anyone is listening. Same with HN - I doubt my comments are of any value to outsiders, but it's possible that someone will associate my real-life identity with this online account, and dig through (i.e., put the data through some extractive process) to assign various values, for unknown consumers - probably advertisers, but maybe even some "good citizen index".

Thankfully I live in the EU (oops, another data point leaked), where there's at least some level of privacy protected by law.

Re:Tired of note-taking apps by criddell on Monday July 20, 2020 @10:02AM (#23897930)
It's not self-censorship, it's just choosing the appropriate level of security for the note.

Sometimes I send a postcard where anybody that handles the card can read the message. If I want a little more privacy, I'll send the note in an envelope.