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Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by ct520 on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:00PM (#23877515)
I think what you are missing here - drug cartels are essentially mini factions that govern areas in the society. The cartels are the government and the government is public face for the cartels essentially. How this evolved over time has been interesting, but make no mistake about it. They both protect each other interests domestically. It's not that they can't its that they wont. They attack themselves when they're disputes. Its very fascinating and no secret down there.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by forgotmypw17 on Friday July 17, 2020 @11:35PM (#23878681)
https://www.google.com/search?q=charles+tilly+war+making+sta...

I found this paper by Charles Tilly, a well-known sociologist, to be enlightening and eye-opening.

And I think the flip-side is also true, "organized crime" being little different from "legitimate state", except in scale and sometimes scale.

But even more enlightening to me, building on top of this paper, was the opinion of a chief named Bear in the Vietnamese (iirc) jungle, who had to deal with both the "legitimate" (dominant) government and the "paramilitary" groups, who would both alternate tearing through his village and terrorizing his people.

To Bear, all of this activity was the inevitable result of existence of power itself, just a fact of reality. Power which, inevitablly, one or another would struggle to acquire, with similar results regardless of who it was. This perspective allowed him to maintain and protect his tribe from both organizations, by acknowledging their power, acquiescing to it, and letting the wind bend his stalk but not break it, so to speak.

Bear was a wise man who lived to old age in a place with everyday danger, so his words are worth something, IMO.

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I learned of Bear and his wisdom from a book written by an anthropologist who lived with his people for several years. I remember one of the stories being about how an unwanted premature baby was allowed to die, and how much this upset the anthropologist at first.

Unfortunately, I do not remember the name of the book anymore. If anyone recognizes it, please comment here.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by 082349872349872 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @06:04AM (#23880332)
"Lane, a superbly attentive historian of Venice, allowed specifically for the case of a government that generates protection rents for its merchants by deliberately attacking their competitors."

In a more historical note, compare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warlord_Era

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by etrabroline on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:19PM (#23877663)
Correct. It's basically the same relationship large financial interests have with the US government. When financial interests have enough influence, they become too big to fail, meaning any "corruption" by the big players is ignored, and so isn't really corruption anymore so much as a part of government policy.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by teruakohatu on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:42PM (#23877831)
Except there are rules, and when they are broken there are consequences. See Lehman Brothers and Enron.

Maybe there are lines in Mexico that cannot be crossed, but from an non-American perspective I struggle to see where those lines are.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by RcouF1uZ4gsC on Friday July 17, 2020 @10:10PM (#23878342)
> Maybe there are lines in Mexico that cannot be crossed, but from an non-American perspective I struggle to see where those lines are.

The main rule is don’t antagonize the Americans too much. The big example is Camarena who was kidnapped, tortured, and killed by the cartels in the 1980s. It brought such a response from the US, that the cartels in general avoid trying to kill US DEA agents.

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by 082349872349872 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:57AM (#23879609)
From an open source, mexican "top cop" turns out crooked, mexico advises US to check his stateside counterparts: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mexico-usa-corruption/mex...

Anyone know if there have been any resulting probes, north of the border? (I didn't pick up much english just now in a quick news search, and this is not very relevant to my interests.)

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by ct520 on Saturday July 18, 2020 @04:12AM (#23879902)
I’m not sure, but my goto blog for reference on Narco news is: http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

Maybe they have more info?

Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by rapind on Friday July 17, 2020 @08:51PM (#23877887)
Based on the 2008 bailout, it wasn't the banks who suffered the lion's share of the consequences. Maybe the difference isn't so great as we perceive
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by xapata on Saturday July 18, 2020 @02:25AM (#23879480)
It's possible Lehman Brothers went under simply because Paulson didn't like Fuld.
Re:Drug cartel ‘narco-antennas’ make life dangerous for Mexi... by ct520 on Friday July 17, 2020 @09:47PM (#23878233)
kiki camarena