It's not 100% accurate (the exact amounts depend on many variables) but gives a good idea. For example, a cost to the employer of USD 100k (87460€/year) gives a before-taxes salary of USD 70.5k, and a salary after all taxes of USD 47k.
What!? That's over 30% of your income gone, and for a relatively average income. That's not even counting VAT and other taxes.... No wonder there's so much "free" stuff in Europe.
And yes, taxes and cotisations are very high. On the other hand they cover most higher costs and risks in life (education, health, basic retirement…).
Still, €61k isn't an average salary. An engineer reaches that after about 10-15 years (from personal experience and some statistics I have access to). It's double the national median.
How does rent and food costs compare to America, do you know?
However the safety net is much more beneficial for less-paid people, at a relatively low cost for them.
I only visited the US so others might be able to provide a more detailed comparison. It seems to me that rent is generally significantly higher in US cities (might be different in lower CoL areas), and groceries and other smaller budgets were slightly higher in France (restaurants, tech purchases, cars…).
US healthcare and education consume a vast portion of your pay. We paid cash for our daughter's college (biomedical engineering) at a total of over $300K. That buys her freedom of choice when it comes time to take a job, get an advanced degree, etc. Her colleagues will have more than $500K USD debt hanging over their heads when you factor interest payments.
The company pays for a portion of health insurance, but much of the cost is picked up by the employee, either though co-payments or deductibles.
We live modestly, drive low-end cars and don't dine out often. We see our European friends taking great vacations and their children bounce in and out of college programs. We see free healthcare, mountain cottages, and other perks unavailable to us.
The median salary here is about £21k nationwide.
I bought my home for £170k, now worth about £230k. it's a decent sized apartment in a nice area in the city where I work. For an indication of size, my living room is about 23ft by 28ft, 2 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms.
Some photos to show what I got for my money:
https://imgur.com/gallery/6oNLRtl
My outgoings each month average out to around £1200k. Mortgage is under £450 a month.
Healthcare is all free, university is free, prescriptions are free.
Some perspective on the costs that look "scary" for the people outside of the USA. I'll share some personal data based on my 20 years since moving here. I have started with $60K and now I am making close to $250K. All this time I was living in a median cost area (one of the top 20 US cities, east coast).
My average effective tax rate over the last 20 years is 19.6% (this includes federal, state, social security and medicare taxes)
My average medical expenses for a family of four are at 3.6% of my gross salary (includes health/rx/dental/vision insurance premiums and out of pocket expenses)
I've paid cash for my oldest child's education at top 10 public university - ~1.5% of my earning over the last 20 years. I am expecting to pay similar cash amount for my other child.
We live in a 4000 sqft McMansion near the best public schools in the state. My mortgage is ~$820 at 2.5% APR
It does look like your effective tax rate is 31-35%, which is more than my all-inclusive rate of ~24.7%
When I renew at end of year it shoul be around 1.1%
That's nominal - 3.5% - 4.0% is the effective interest rate. I don't know much about mortgages, so not sure if I'm missing something. Congrats on your place - it looks great!
You could imagine that inflation pays ~1% of your mortgage for you because each dollar that you owe is becoming less and less valuable.
I just mentioned it for the sake of providing more information to whomever was reading my comment.
https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/082113/under...
Average salary (take-home): $11874
Average salary (total cost for employer): $19875
Median salary (take-home): $10225
Median salary (total cost for employer): $16526
Starting junior dev salary (take-home): $14800
Starting junior dev salary (total cost for employer): $25800
Senior dev salary (they can go higher, but that's relatively rare for local employers) (take-home): $27700
Senior dev salary (total cost for employer): $52000
VAT is 25%. Safety net is a joke. Health care is universal, but not that good. Education is mediocre at best.
I'm not so sure. It looks like the average liability for a family (12 monthly premiums plus deductable) comes in at just under $23k[1]. That's the max the average family would pay. Obviously for just a single person total liability is a lot lower.
So for a person like me who makes good money being an engineer, I am still better off in America where I can make a lot of money but also pay a little more in COL / healthcare stuff.
[1] https://www.ehealthinsurance.com/resources/individual-and-fa...
I agree that engineering salaries are much higher in the US than in Europe and other non-US countries, however it's worth considering that there are additional expenses to hiring in other countries. My french salary is ~30-40% lower than I was making in the US. However, my cost to my employer is nearly as high. Employer taxes are much higher, my company is required to reimburse my transit and all-but-obligated to cover lunch as well. Certainly, many US software companies do some/all of that, but not all.
And beyond those pure costs, there are more liabilities to the employer. For instance, if they want to fire me, they're legally on the hook for four months of severance. And, I get ~7 weeks of combined vacation time and "comp time" (based on the fact that I work more than 35 hours a week). In the US, I got 2-3 weeks.
I don't have exact numbers, and I don't disagree that there are potentially savings to be had, but I don't think it's nearly as clear cut that you could get anything close to twice as many developers.