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Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by narrator on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:18PM (#23863371)
Also, if you are a billionaire the government can take everything away from that person in the blink of an eye if decides it doesn't like what that person says. In the west there are far more protections and due process rights.
Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by pishpash on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:19AM (#23866968)
Like you are a billionaire. In the West, as anywhere, the poor people have little due process rights in practice, and the rich depend far more on power than process for protection.

The government has many "legal" means to "take everything away" from someone, including taking away their means of doing business or their access to power, running stories to defame them, using threats of tax issues, fraud, sexual crimes, national security violation, and other means of control. Sound familiar?

If you think human nature is different because there is some scrap of paper from two hundred years ago you may be sorely disappointed when trying to redeem on your protections and rights, which it sounds like you've never had to do. This, mind you, is the same scrap of paper that claims all men are created equal.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by joe_the_user on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:53PM (#23864229)
In China, even a billionaire can be crushed by the state - for corruption, for being a power rival or for speaking out against state policy.

In the US, a certain level of person has nearly carte blanche against scandal, against being accused of crimes or pursuing pathological policy positions. Of course, in the US, a small person's life can be snuffed out if they annoy the wrong cop and their life can be made miserable if they go up against the justice system or other powerful forces.

I'm sure what how well the two system play against each other on the world stage at this point.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by tomp on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:21PM (#23864515)
Oh come on man (woman?), this comment is completely disingenuous. You're comparing 2 completely different things.

Is US / the West fair? Not by a long shot. Tons of shitty stuff happening, from George Floyd, to Harvey Weinstein, to Jeffrey Epstein, to Julian Assange. But at least we know about them.

But compared to China? You won't even hear about the "small person's life". I'm sure life in China can be great, unless you're Muslim, or Buddhist / Tibetan, or Falun Gong, or Canadian, or ...

I don't know about you, but for me, there's no question which of these systems I'd prefer to live under. Even if I were black! (Notify me when China gets a black president.)

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by joe_the_user on Thursday July 16, 2020 @07:58PM (#23865318)
Tons of shitty stuff happening, from George Floyd, to Harvey Weinstein, to Jeffrey Epstein, to Julian Assange. But at least we know about them.

I would prefer live in the West also. I also know a lot of people in the world value security over free expression.

Just as much, I'm reasonably sophisticated in my reading of the news and the open expression here allows me to pick the truth reasonably easily out of a stream of lies. But the stream of lies is there, every day I encounter people online who instead fall for the stream of shrill claim sloshing around both the Internet (aside from Murdock crap, you have "Russian Bounties", etc). Again, the US still looks better to me but the way things are going, the US is not doing a good job selling it's model.

Of course, if you mention Epstein, everyone here knows about him but few-to-no US paper, "pedophile, apparently murdered in prison by persons unknown" and people in China know often know the operations of the state to that degree, at points when the real story is obvious and the state isn't that concerned. Admittedly, there are stories about prison officials moving Maxwell around the prison to prevent her from also being murdered - but directly calling officials for Epstein's murder, not visible (no, I don't miss him but his murder was clearly to protect the guilty and nations should pretend the rule of law at least).

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by woah on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:14AM (#23867270)
If Epstein happened in China, would anyone even be allowed to go on the internet and claim that he was killed because he had dirt on everyone in the government?
Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by joe_the_user on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:43AM (#23867815)
Lots of people make claims on the Chinese Internet - it's censored but stuff still gets out. The claim/canard that Covid came from a lab in Wuhan came from the Chinese Internet, for example.

The US definitely has more free expression, of course.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by azinman2 on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:35PM (#23864633)
That might be true for you, but that clearly isn't true for everyone. I know people in HK (mostly elderly) who are fine with China coming and taking over. They see security and wealth.
Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by kilroy_jones on Thursday July 16, 2020 @07:29PM (#23865088)
Most of those people in HK who are fine with it already have deep connections with the Mainland and want to maintain those. They are a small fraction of the population. It's also fairly short-sighted and selfish thinking in my mind to sell the off the rights of the younger generation so they can keep their assets and businesses safe.

In the US we have been selling off our privacy and ability to affect public policy through our leaders for much the same reasons, ie short-term gains for the few. Difference is we gave it voluntarily.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by AsyncAwait on Thursday July 16, 2020 @04:53PM (#23863695)
If you're a billionaire, yes. If you're a person of color of not so great means, education etc. in the U.S. from a somewhat infamous area like Chicago, am not so sure. Just see the ongoing protests right now.
Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by drozycki on Thursday July 16, 2020 @06:11PM (#23864407)
The intersection between South side Chicago resident and semiconductor expert is vanishingly small. Those who grow up in a disaffected part of the US and go on to study EE or CS do so through a US college opportunity which will funnel them into a US semiconductor job where they will be treated better than the treatment dark skinned people get in China. It’s common for restaurants in major Chinese cities to have “No Black” signs in their windows as a “COVID measure”, for example. https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/05/05/china-covid-19-discrimin...
Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by AsyncAwait on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:55PM (#23873409)
> Those who grow up in a disaffected part of the US and go on to study EE or CS do so through a US college opportunity which will funnel them into a US semiconductor job

The probability of that happening is not so big considering people from such areas tend to have low quality schools around them, which tends to mean low test scores, maybe even involvement with the "justice" system, no real opportunity to land a semiconductor job.

What you said sounds nice, but I doubt happens much in practice.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by justicezyx on Friday July 17, 2020 @12:53AM (#23867175)
The linked article has no pictures of the sign.

I have friends living in Shenzhen, I asked them, and they said they never saw such signs. It could be that they are visiting different groups of restaurants or hotels etc.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by heavyset_go on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:01AM (#23867554)
If you had bothered to read the article, not only would you have seen the linked image and video[1], you'd have also read the tomes of evidence that goes against your anecdote.

[1] https://twitter.com/BlackLivityCN/status/1249011762638266374

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by tasogare on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:02AM (#23867224)
> In the west there are far more protections and due process rights.

Not necessarily. You could also lose your job and get totally screwed professionally if you speak against the last political trend. University professors could for instance lose a job over a pronoun matter. Sharing a memo have also been proven risky. The actors are different (state in one case, mob and PC in the other) but the end result can be pretty similar.

Re:TSMC plans to halt chip supplies to Huawei in 2 months by igorkraw on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:08AM (#23868309)
Dude, this is very ingenious. If people get "cancelled", they don't have to fear for their lives, if they are white men they generally can find a job quite easily (maybe not the same one but eh) and there is enough diversity of opinion that they will have defenders like you in public fora.

Try organising a Tiananmn protest, or criticising the Uyghur internment camps within China