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Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by bouncycastle on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:32PM (#23853117)
Nope. They're actually getting away with quite a big loot!

The number of unconfirmed transactions has catapulted from ~9k to about ~50k right now, which means there's large amount of activity.

It will take a while for the dust to settle.

You can watch them here https://www.blockchain.com/btc/unconfirmed-transactions

chart https://www.blockchain.com/charts/mempool-count

A better graph of the current transactions sitting unconfirmed: https://jochen-hoenicke.de/queue/#0,24h

Note: I'm not saying that these are all from the hack, I'm saying that the activity on the Bitcoin blockchain has significantly spiked, and the hack was still ongoing at the time of writing this.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by icedistilled on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:19PM (#23854657)
I'm a little unclear, is the following correct?.

So basically rando's are sending famous people bitcoin because the famous people tweeted "send us $$ and we'll send you double back"?

And somehow the rando's haven't heard of the hack. Is this what's happening? Like are random people seriously sending them bitcoin? Or is it some weird form of money laundering?

Although since that's very weird behavior even if there was no hack, I suppose I'm not too surprised that those people sending the coin haven't heard of the hack.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by flamtap on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:29AM (#23855776)
I find myself confused by this as well, surely people who are sufficiently technically sophisticated to own bitcoin won’t fall for “I’ll send you bitcoin if you send me yours first”?
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by AgentME on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:27AM (#23856376)
I assume the victims aren't technically-sophisticated bitcoin owners. I had previously told a family member that I had a little bit of cryptocurrency, and then a few months ago they messaged me asking how to buy some bitcoin. I prodded them a bit, and it turned out that they had seen a scam somewhat like today's. I was able to stop them and explain the scam. Presumably if they hadn't asked me, they might have figured out how to buy some on their own and then sent it to the scammer.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by rorykoehler on Thursday July 16, 2020 @05:27AM (#23857236)
My Uber driver in Sydney told me he was converting all his money into crypto because he thought the FIAT system was gonna crash. He was not technical. Lots of semi tech literate crypto people out there.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by blaser-waffle on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:20AM (#23859236)
That's like the Kennedy-shoe-shine-boy thing. Kid on the street starts asking Papa Kennedy about some hot stocks he heard of and Kennedy realizes everything is wayyy too overheated and pulls out. Market implodes a little while later, and Joe is able to buy up whatever he wants.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by rorykoehler on Thursday July 16, 2020 @10:38AM (#23859394)
Very similar alright. I felt so conflicted listening to him because I knew nothing I would say would change his mind so I just kept quiet. He was a pensioner trying to save to leave something for his progeny. Kind of heart breaking.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by nyolfen on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @10:40PM (#23855146)
receiving bitcoin on a wallet advertised on hacked accounts does not seem like a very effective mode of money laundering, imho
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by jjeaff on Thursday July 16, 2020 @12:47AM (#23855858)
It's reverse money laundering! Take legit money and dirty it by faking a scheme where it was stolen due to a scam.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by gspr on Thursday July 16, 2020 @02:29AM (#23856388)
Money smudging? :-)
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by reportgunner on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:53AM (#23856793)
Zoom out and you see that this is normal every ~14 days.

Also number of transactions is in no way related to amount of money being transferred.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by veridies on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:00PM (#23853435)
Question (I'm not an expert): can unconfirmed transactions be withdrawn? If so, what's the timeline?
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by stjo on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:07PM (#23853511)
There are 2 stages in sending bitcoin:

1) You submit transaction to the mempool. It may take a couple of minutes for a miner that "liked" your transaction to include it in a block. While in this stage, the receiver technically does not have anything yet, thus impossible to use them in any way.

2) The transaction get put inside a block. Generally, most vendors would say the transaction is "unconfirmed", although technically it is now in the ledger. There is a small chance that due to inconsistencies and network latency the block gets orphaned and the replacing block does not include the transaction. If you are a vendor and start shipping products immediately after your money is put into the ledger, you open yourself to a range of possible attacks. For this reason most wait two or three more blocks, just to be sure.

To answer your question: After a block gets created and the scammer receives his crypto, albeit still in an unconfirmed (read as "young") block, they can start using it however they decide to. Small chance that their actions get reverted exists tho.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by reportgunner on Thursday July 16, 2020 @03:51AM (#23856783)
You took a lot of effort to be wrong man.

Unconfirmed transactions cannot be withdrawn. Transaction that already is in at least one block is confirmed by definition - the act of being included in a block results in a confirmation.

Unconfirmed transactions can be "cancelled" by double spending the coins in the unconfirmed transaction.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by abrodersen on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:08PM (#23853524)
You could issue a double spend transaction that goes to another wallet you control with a higher fee and the network will probably apply that one first.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by bouncycastle on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:08PM (#23853520)
Yes. Some wallets allow you to use "Replace by Fee" protocol, which allows you to do that.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by longtom on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:40PM (#23853219)
So we're likely talking some 50-100 million of dollars being stolen? Insane.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by admn2 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:53PM (#23853355)
It's only at 12 bitcoin ($120k) right now. (serious question) why do you think it could be as high as $50 to $100 mm? Is there a way to see the total including unconfirmed transactions?
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by schoen on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:57PM (#23853408)
I think longtom read this as 9k-50k BTC rather than as 9k-50k transactions.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by dopamean on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:11PM (#23853558)
No. No one is saying that.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by bouncycastle on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:00PM (#23853439)
I'm not saying that these are all from the hack, I'm saying that the activity on the Bitcoin blockchain has significantly spiked, and it looks like a very large number of transactions have yet to be confirmed. So any amount so far is just the beginning - more is sitting in the mempool ready to be confirmed.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by SV_BubbleTime on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @06:59PM (#23853420)
Hang on... is it “stolen”? If you trick some people into giving their money to you, it’s unethical, but you didn’t force them to hand you their money against their will.

I would say “taken” is fair; but “stolen” isn’t exactly right.

Plus there is no way it will be that much.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by chmod775 on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:29PM (#23853752)
If I dress myself like a valet and you hand me your car keys in front of a hotel, am I stealing the car when I drive off?

Well in this case people intended their money to go one place, but they got tricked and it ended up in another. I'd call that stealing.

Whether it got technically stolen from the charity or whatever they meant it to go to or from the original owner, that's debatable.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by tialaramex on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @09:06PM (#23854548)
For example, historically the UK had "Theft By Deception" a type of theft in which the requirement is that you deceive people, intentionally, in order to permanently deprive them of something of value rather than just taking it.

This was replaced by modern Fraud crimes this century. The new crimes reduce what prosecutors need to show somewhat. With "Theft by deception" there can be a problem if the prosecutor struggles to show that the defendant actually permanently deprived the victim of something of value, especially if the victim realised there was a problem in time to use some sort of "claw back" mechanism. With Fraud the prosecutor can show that the defendant intended to gain even if ultimately that didn't work, so long as the deception actually happened the crime was not merely attempted.

All these Tweets are Fraud by False Representation under that replacement law, because the tweet deliberately pretends to be from somebody (e.g. Apple or Bill Gates) when it's actually from the perpetrator of the crime and it's clear that they intended to gain from getting Bitcoin sent to this account even if a prosecutor can't prove how much they actually made.

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by manquer on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:04PM (#23853476)
Well in a way it is, the point of the verification check box is authenticity that twitter is supposed to guarantee, this breaks that trust
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by ncallaway on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @07:46PM (#23853907)
Yep, theft by fraud is still theft.
Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by anonytrary on Thursday July 16, 2020 @01:43AM (#23856158)
If I ask you to give me a loan and I say I'll pay it back with 100% interest in a few days, and then I run away with your loan and never pay it back, then yes, it's stealing.

That's all that's happening here, except in units of BTC and not USD...

Re:Hackers take over prominent Twitter accounts in simultane... by maest on Thursday July 16, 2020 @08:45AM (#23858409)
The username is pleasingly appropriate for the comment.