Orthodox Privilege

Re:Orthodox Privilege by int_19h on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @05:35PM (#23852252)

And then there's the converse - when e.g. Iranian and Arab immigrants are shamed for legitimately criticizing religious-based oppression in their societies, because their criticism - with extra weight lent to it by their background - supposedly fuels Islamophobia in the West; and is thus a form of cultural imperialism that they're expected to not partake in, regardless of the reality of oppression that they talk about, or their own personal experience in that regard.

The most famous example is probably Maajid Nawaz - a former member of Hizb ut-Tahrir who renounced his extremist views, and since then has been actively criticizing political Islamism (of both violent and non-violent variety), while remaining a practicing Muslim. Despite that last fact, he was identified as an "anti-Muslim extremist" by SPLC - and they only retracted this after a massive outcry.

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Re:Orthodox Privilege by smitty1e on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @08:14PM (#23854143)

Contrast that with the utter fragmentation of Christianity in the West. Pope Francis needs a Sgt. Hulka to encourage him to lighten up[1].

Lord have mercy on anyone who takes temporal leaders more seriously than those absolute truths to which those leaders (purportedly) point.

[1] Reference to the movie "Stripes".

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Re:Orthodox Privilege by john4534243 on Friday July 17, 2020 @01:32PM (#23873135)

You are trying to portray ISLAM as religion of peace. It is not. ISLAM is incompatible with democracy. I understand all types of people exist given the amount of population. With ISLAM it is followed very strongly and that's why even physics majors don't question the existence of god in the open even when they are non in the Islamic state.

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Re:Orthodox Privilege by int_19h on Friday July 17, 2020 @02:39PM (#23873903)

I could say the same of every monotheistic religion. For example, one of the most famous Church Fathers, one still recognized as a saint by most Christian denominations, wrote as early as 4th century:

"Should you hear any one in the public thoroughfare, or in the midst of the forum, blaspheming God; go up to him and rebuke him; and should it be necessary to inflict blows, spare not to do so. Smite him on the face; strike his mouth; sanctify your hand with the blow, and if any should accuse you, and drag you to the place of justice, follow them, and when the judge ... calls you to account, say boldly that the man blasphemed the King of angels!"

But we don't judge all Christians based on that. Neither should all Muslims be judged on the basis of a particular interpretation of their scriptures, especially when the vast majority of them do not subscribe to it at all.

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Re:Orthodox Privilege by john4534243 on Friday July 17, 2020 @04:03PM (#23874866)

I know a lot of Christians and other religions where people can openly say they are atheist openly and their family(and society in general) is okay with that. The problem with ISLAM is it is so dogmatic, no one can oppose it irrespective of education, in fact they double down when questioned or shown facts and preach tolerance to others or point other religions quotes. This is what i hate about ISLAM. There is some thing deeply wrong with it, they can not take criticism even if you are in the STEM field.

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Re:Orthodox Privilege by int_19h on Monday July 20, 2020 @07:14AM (#23896672)

I know of a lot of Muslims to whom people can openly say that they're atheist.

For example, my grandfather was a Muslim. His wife was Christian. His son - my father - is an atheist, and so am I.

It sounds like your problem isn't with Islam, but rather with a strawman that you have constructed.

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