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Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by altcognito on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:13AM (#23832178)
I can tell you there is a huge market for something that works well in the 40-50k range. You are vastly, vastly underestimating this market.

Hotels have a variety of tasks they would love to replace a host of low cost labor with robots with.

Someone in a higher income bracket wouldn’t think twice about that cost if it did significant work. On the other hand, the bar is high (cleaning, folding, picking up -- all are still fairly challenging AI problems, to say nothing of the "business" logic that would go into it).

Then you've got that quality servos are expensive. Some of that can resolved with volume, but not all of it.

Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by deegles on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:29PM (#23833991)
A hotel is a great application for robots since the rooms could be designed for their capabilities.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by gibolt on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:52PM (#23834393)
And they are consistent. Make it work in the few distinct layout configurations and specific hotel appliances, and then it can repeat on all the rooms.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by jvanderbot on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @11:30AM (#23833096)
Your statement and previous do not contradict. Multiplying the hours required to do the job in a larger environment like a hotel (4/week becomes 80 person hours / week) would produce a break-even cost higher than what you suggest.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by espadrine on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:40PM (#23835075)
Indeed. To give further figures, in France the minimum wage is around €10, and employees cannot work more than 35h/week, which yields a price point of €72k below which a 4-year-lifetime machine with human performance becomes cost-effective for a hotel.

In fact, France would probably be a very attractive country for this technology because of this.

Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by skratlo on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:34PM (#23834080)
yadayada, you're all robots, artificial humans, walking calculators. tell me what those low income workers will do when you take away their jobs?
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by Osiris on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:41PM (#23834202)
What happened to gas lighters when street lights were replaced with electric lights?
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by notJim on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:52PM (#23834387)
Well, what did happen to them? The implication of your statement was that they were obviously totally fine, but is that a given? It's possible they were miserable and then died. Switching careers is not always easy and smooth.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by brownbat on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @02:37PM (#23835903)
I'm all for transition assistance and a safety net to mitigate the harms, but halting human ingenuity seems like it would put far greater numbers of people at risk of misery and untimely deaths.

Lamplighters are especially useful to consider here.

How many lives has electricity saved? How many ICUs can operate continual machines because of it? How many people at risk of heat stroke can run AC in summer because of it? How many transplants and temperature controlled medicines got delivered because of it? What about its role in food safety? What about timely communications of life saving information, like those lost at sea asking for help, or severe weather alerts advising others to shelter? That's just the beginning, it seems incalculable really.

That lamplighter should have had a society willing to catch them during the transition. But imagine if it solved this problem by holding that one person's job sacred at the cost of millions of other lives instead.

It's absolutely good and relevant to worry about individual cases, but it seems like society is better off if we allow jobs to adjust to the actual current needs of humanity, rather than holding them fixed. Then we just also try to do our best to take care of as many of those who fall through the cracks as we can.

Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by notJim on Wednesday July 15, 2020 @12:48AM (#23841446)
Wait, so you're suggesting we should think more about what happens to them, rather than ridiculing the question?
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by fragmede on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @03:25PM (#23836536)
Survivor's bias says even for the ones for whom it wasn't smooth and died a horribly gristly death that we wouldn't hear from them.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by orestarod on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:12PM (#23834689)
I believe cost cuts to maximize profit consistently cause an enormous number of people to lose their jobs, yet no one addresses that.
Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by zaroth on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @01:50PM (#23835220)
I mean this is absolutely true in the sense that 99.9% of the hours that humans used to spend doing things across history have already been automated away.

The amount of time we used to spend making a single yard of cloth, or creating 10 pounds of flour is almost unfathomable today.

The prevailing economic theory was that we would automate away so much work that leisure time would prevail. Instead our massive increases in output have just driven greater consumption.

But the difference made by housecleaning robots isn’t the straw the breaks the camels back.

It would take a massive breakthrough in AI to eliminate the majority of knowledge workers at the scale that agriculture and textiles have already been transformed.

Re:Ex-Googler's startup comes out of stealth with simple, cl... by iancmceachern on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @12:47PM (#23834333)
Or midnight soil rakers