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Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by tlb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:14PM (#23814383)
The notion of a lemon is a car that was made on a bad day, so there are lots of defects that show up over time. The laws vary but generally say that if a car needs several major repairs in its first year you can demand a buyback.

The underlying assumption that justifies a category of "lemon" is that needing N repairs is evidence that it is more likely than other cars of its model year to need an N+1st repair because failures are not independent.

This may have been true of earlier technology, but it doesn't match the way modern cars are made. Mainly, the granularity of subassemblies is much higher, so for example in a Tesla they replace the entire rear powertrain or entire battery pack as a warranty item.

Lemon laws should have required some periodic statistical adjustment to determine whether lemoniness actually exists in a given brand or not.

Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by ytdytvhxgydvhh on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:21PM (#23814440)
What if manufacturing isn’t the source of end-user lemoniness?

These cars go through QC - maybe some QC folks are more slipshod than others, and the main source of lemons are the ones who were inspected by terrible QC inspectors?

Or maybe the lemons are perfectly fine cars that were damaged in shipment and were repaired badly?

Regardless, the lemon laws still protect the consumer.

Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by cptskippy on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:46PM (#23815707)
Wouldn't sloppy QC also be a signof manufacturing issues?
Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by reitzensteinm on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:59PM (#23816093)
Even if modern car failures are independent, forcing car companies to give the consumer an out after many consecutive failures of a component is not necessarily a bad thing.

It would basically turn in to a Pigovian n^3 tax on reliability.

But I suspect that you're overstating; a drive unit may well be truly independent, but something like water leaking in to the cabin wouldn't be.

Even if 80% of components have independent failure modes, the remaining 20% will account for the vast majority of your lemon law invocations.

Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by mlyle on Sunday July 12, 2020 @05:53PM (#23815087)
Rework of QC fails and post-sales service are also imperfect.

You can easily have a couple excess failures trigger excess service, and if you're unlucky with the quality of one episode of that rework or service, end up on a never-ending rework treadmill. Even on the brands with the best quality.

Re:Tesla may call warranty repairs goodwill due to lemon lau... by ctvo on Sunday July 12, 2020 @08:25PM (#23815903)
Can you share your position on Tesla mislabeling repairs to evade this law as stated in the linked article?