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Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by pjmlp on Sunday July 12, 2020 @06:54AM (#23810447)
MSL, CUDA and SYSCL are C++ with extra topping.

Also one of the reasons CUDA won developer love is that it fully embraced polyglot programming on the GPU.

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by TinkersW on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:14AM (#23810525)
None of those are both portable and widely available on end user machines, which is needed for games

CUDA seems nice, but being Nvidia only makes it a total dead end.

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by slavik81 on Sunday July 12, 2020 @10:31PM (#23816628)
Disclaimer: I work on AMD ROCm, but my opinions are my own.

There's also HIP[1], which can be used as a thin wrapper around CUDA, or with the ROCm backend on AMD platforms. It doesn't yet match CUDA in either breadth of features or maturity, but it's getting closer every day.

[1]: https://github.com/ROCm-Developer-Tools/HIP

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by gnufx on Monday July 13, 2020 @05:06AM (#23818717)
As I understand it, that has to work for the CORAL 2 US "exascale", so people who've been proved fairly right so far obviously have some confidence in it. (de Supinksi of Livermore said he'd be out of a job if conventional wisdom was right, though it was pretty obvious at the time that it wasn't.) Free software too, praise be.
Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by TinkersW on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:10AM (#23830521)
It looks good but without Intel iGPU support I don't think any gamedevs would use it :/

I wish all the GPU companies would get together and make a standard based on C++ and stick with it.

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by kmbriedis on Sunday July 12, 2020 @07:24AM (#23810561)
I believe the ML community will strongly disagree. CUDA is everything
Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by ethelward on Sunday July 12, 2020 @06:24PM (#23815266)
Because the academic ML community does not care about shipping product to end users not equipped in nVidia.
Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by pjmlp on Monday July 13, 2020 @01:07AM (#23817358)
Except SYSCL also works on AMD and Intel, and also has a CUDA backend, but apparently you missed that part.

In what concerns commercial uses of CUDA, Hollywood doesn't seem to have any problem with it, nor the car manufacturers with Jetson.

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by TinkersW on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @07:17AM (#23830576)
SYSCL might be an option, but it doesn't seem to have much in the way of adoption(Forum is dead)which is concerning.

It does look like Intel is supporting at least, so maybe in the future it will be a good option.

Re:Linus Torvalds on AVX512 by pjmlp on Sunday July 12, 2020 @09:46AM (#23811254)
Windows and iOS gaming community with disagree will that statement.

Or are you speaking about the 1% Linux users on Steam?