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Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by Nextgrid on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:20AM (#23809044)
Ham radio is a hobby around what communication was like back in the day. There used to be no Internet, long-distance telephony was in its infancy, and radio (whether "ham" or official) was literally the only way to communicate in real-time at a distance, and those radios were relatively crude, required lots of knowledge and manual operation because digital logic wasn't advanced enough yet.

Nowadays that is no longer true. Except in very specialized applications, analog radio is not typically used for communication, and digital isn't using manually-operated radios either, it's stacks of dozens of layers that eventually end up transferring IP packets or similar.

Maybe this is an unpopular opinion, but since ham radio no longer represents how the majority of people communicate today, maybe we shouldn't be holding onto the past and instead focus on how people communicate now? Maybe IP networks should be the future "ham radio", and we should have clubs around these things instead (and existing ham clubs should embrace them, instead of siloed things like digital modes over radio which are innovative but near-useless in real-world usage)?

Even in emergency situations (which is one of the arguments for ham radio), a satellite phone/modem will get you online pretty much anywhere in the world and the only barrier is the equipment, which doesn't seem too different from a ham radio where a good set costs decent money and can't easily be built from scratch and especially not in an emergency situation.

Imagine if ham radio involved into what I described above in which case being a ham could actually give you immediate, real-world benefits to you and your community in working around bad/nonexistent ISPs by building your own infrastructure? This would bring a lot more people into the hobby because those skills allow them to solve actual problems they/their community is facing.

Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by imgabe on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:32AM (#23809101)
It's a hobby. There's no need to throw away hobbies just because they're obsolete. Plenty of people enjoy blacksmithing and knitting even though nobody has a need to do these things themselves. We don't have to push people to do it if they don't want to, but at the same time if someone enjoys it, who cares?

It also does provide a societal benefit of having backup knowledge that might work when newer technologies fail.

Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by voidfunc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:50AM (#23809185)
We don't need to throw obsolete hobbies under the bus, but the people that are passionate about an obsolete hobby need to realize it is dying for a reason. You'll still get the odd-ball young person, but it is going to be increasingly rare.
Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by Apocryphon on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:06AM (#23809244)
Obsolete hobbies could potentially have a resurgence, from all kinds of subcultures whether paleo (paleo diets), hipster (vinyls and typewriters), geek (Ren Faires, historical reenactments), or even survivalist/prepper. Millennials are stereotypically known for seeking older, "authentic" things, with perhaps a level of exclusivity, so there can be ways to spin ham radio into something fitting their aesthetics of cool.
Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by dalke on Sunday July 12, 2020 @09:16AM (#23811098)
Radio hobbyists used to use spark-gap transmitters. These were cheap to make and popular. They also produced a lot of radio noise.

This caused them to be effectively banned by the 1930s, outside of marine use, in favor of continuous wave transmitters.

So that particular obsolete hobby will not have a resurgence.

I can see a similar argument with ham radio. If it "dies", that is, if there are many-fold fewer people using it, then that frees up RF spectrum. There will be pressure to reallocate those frequencies to, eg, commercial use.

When the 2090s subculture rediscovers ham radio, there won't be the spectrum for them all, and the spectrum assignments will be hard to change for what is likely a fad.

Maybe CB radio will be popular again? "Ah, breaker one-nine, this here's the rubber duck. you gotta copy on me, pig pen, c'mon?"

Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by taddevries on Sunday July 12, 2020 @10:12AM (#23811403)
That CW McCall line from Convoy brings back some serious memories.

Talk about old hobbies. When I was about 9 I found an 8-track of his and fell in love with that song. I spent much of that summer buying stereo equipment at garage sales to get a working 8-track player setup in my bedroom just so I could listen to that song on repeat.

"There's a road-block up on the cloverleaf and them Bears was wall to wall. I said Pig Pen this hear's a Rubber Duck, we justa ain'ta gonna pay no toll. So we crash the gate doing 98 I says let them truckers role 10-4."

Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by Nextgrid on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:07AM (#23809247)
I agree, there's nothing wrong with having a hobby and playing with whatever tools/equipment that you like.

However, the difference between let's say blacksmithing/knitting and ham radio is that the latter is a social hobby and relies on having enough hams out there so that there's actually some people to talk to on the air, and the problem they're facing right now is that the amount of those people seems to be on the decline.

Re:Millennials Are Killing Ham Radio by tilt_error on Sunday July 12, 2020 @06:24AM (#23810332)
Well, ham radio wasn’t how the majority of people communicated yesterday so why should it be tomorrow?

Increasingly radio is how we are communicating, but it may not be obvious as the technology is hidden deep down.

As in all times, there will be curious individuals that wish to know how it all connects or wish to bend technology to their will.

Internet, as technology, is in no way in opposition to this fact. I would say that they are orthogonal.