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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by aswanson on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:32PM (#23808237)
The united states is, on balance, a rather stupid country. We re-elected a dolt that invaded Iraq on the premise they caused 911 when they obviously didnt. That said, China poses a unique threat: a panopticon, freedom supressing government, with next to no option for change, and trying to expand its borders. Scary.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:43PM (#23808298)
There are many around the world and in USA who would say the exact same about the USA and I'm sure China says the exact same about USA.

I personally see no difference between the two except they're both fighting to be the world superpower and China is really stepping in to take that role from a USA in distress.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:56PM (#23808389)
Hmmm... US invades Japan, turns it from a militant authoritarian system into a democracy, then gives it independence. Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation. Same with South Korea. Same with Western Europe post-WW2.

Has China done that?

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by Redoubts on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:12PM (#23808485)
> Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation.

Yes, tell me more about what the US did in the Philippines.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:45AM (#23809155)
Is the Philippines not a sovereign country?

That’s my point. Don’t try and deflect.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:45AM (#23809918)
Tell us more about what USA did in Japan
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayiner on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:13PM (#23808494)
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/views-of-the-u...

And those places have a quite positive views of America.

> In 2018, two-thirds (67%) see the U.S. positively, up 10 percentage points from 2017.

> But the Japanese public has less esteem for America than do Filipinos (83%) and South Koreans (80%).

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:44AM (#23809152)
Interesting.

I know Vietnam has one of the most pro-American viewpoints of any country. Last poll I saw had >90% holding a positive view of the US.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:50AM (#23809935)
Frankly it's not the business of the USA to "turn a system into a democracy". Every government has and can fall at the hands of its own people if needed. You cited two viciously deadly and brutal examples of imperialism and I don't think you're making a great point.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:30AM (#23808826)
The U.S. has explicitly suppressed plenty of other governments before, both for ideological and economic reasons. Read about Salvatore Allende, who was elected via a democratic process in 1970s Chile on a socialist reform platform and then was subsequently overthrown and killed, via suicide after being surrounded, with heavy involvement via the U.S. CIA.

China has not typically gone beyond their own historical borders, and when they have, it is miniscule compared to how the U.S. has.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:42AM (#23809145)
China supported the Khmer Rouge which killed 1 out of 4 Cambodians.

Want more examples?

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:45AM (#23809389)
The intended point of my comment was to provide a counterpoint to yours. The things you listed in either comment do not absolve the U.S. from its vast influence via warfare for its own ideological and economic gains, which is what your original comment that I replied to was trying to do.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:22PM (#23813464)
Whose is talking about absolution.

Yes the US has done bad things. But there are degrees of bad things and I would argue China has done worst things and continues to do so.

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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayiner on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:33AM (#23808839)
And now Chile has the highest HDI in Latin America.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:36AM (#23808858)
That is immaterial to the discussion.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayhendricks on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:11PM (#23808480)
There is a difference. You can make fun of Trump/McConnel all day long, and no one cares because it is our free speech. Try putting a Xi Jinping blimp up in Beijing and see how fast you get arrested.

Try being a minority religion in China too...

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