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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by AnimalMuppet on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:28PM (#23808214)
To our own citizens? Not that, not even in Iraq.
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Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by esyir on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:15PM (#23808503)
Honestly? Yes. I judge a country first and foremost by How it treats its own citizens.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by OpieCunningham on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:16AM (#23808753)
That’s an odd distinction. Perhaps you judge your country firstly by how it treats its citizens, because you want to be treated well. But if it’s not your country, what’s the difference? Perhaps you live in a country that provides for your well-being by slaughtering and plundering all around the world. In that case your country is rather horrible. Objectively, the US actions in Iraq were far worse than China in Tianamen Square. In any case, China is obviously a horrible country (Uyghur treatment is just one example).
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by aswanson on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:32PM (#23808237)
The united states is, on balance, a rather stupid country. We re-elected a dolt that invaded Iraq on the premise they caused 911 when they obviously didnt. That said, China poses a unique threat: a panopticon, freedom supressing government, with next to no option for change, and trying to expand its borders. Scary.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:43PM (#23808298)
There are many around the world and in USA who would say the exact same about the USA and I'm sure China says the exact same about USA.

I personally see no difference between the two except they're both fighting to be the world superpower and China is really stepping in to take that role from a USA in distress.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:56PM (#23808389)
Hmmm... US invades Japan, turns it from a militant authoritarian system into a democracy, then gives it independence. Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation. Same with South Korea. Same with Western Europe post-WW2.

Has China done that?

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by Redoubts on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:12PM (#23808485)
> Invades, then turns Philippines into a sovereign nation.

Yes, tell me more about what the US did in the Philippines.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:45AM (#23809155)
Is the Philippines not a sovereign country?

That’s my point. Don’t try and deflect.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:45AM (#23809918)
Tell us more about what USA did in Japan
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayiner on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:13PM (#23808494)
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2018/11/12/views-of-the-u...

And those places have a quite positive views of America.

> In 2018, two-thirds (67%) see the U.S. positively, up 10 percentage points from 2017.

> But the Japanese public has less esteem for America than do Filipinos (83%) and South Koreans (80%).

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:44AM (#23809152)
Interesting.

I know Vietnam has one of the most pro-American viewpoints of any country. Last poll I saw had >90% holding a positive view of the US.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by entropea on Sunday July 12, 2020 @04:50AM (#23809935)
Frankly it's not the business of the USA to "turn a system into a democracy". Every government has and can fall at the hands of its own people if needed. You cited two viciously deadly and brutal examples of imperialism and I don't think you're making a great point.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:30AM (#23808826)
The U.S. has explicitly suppressed plenty of other governments before, both for ideological and economic reasons. Read about Salvatore Allende, who was elected via a democratic process in 1970s Chile on a socialist reform platform and then was subsequently overthrown and killed, via suicide after being surrounded, with heavy involvement via the U.S. CIA.

China has not typically gone beyond their own historical borders, and when they have, it is miniscule compared to how the U.S. has.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @01:42AM (#23809145)
China supported the Khmer Rouge which killed 1 out of 4 Cambodians.

Want more examples?

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:45AM (#23809389)
The intended point of my comment was to provide a counterpoint to yours. The things you listed in either comment do not absolve the U.S. from its vast influence via warfare for its own ideological and economic gains, which is what your original comment that I replied to was trying to do.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by refurb on Sunday July 12, 2020 @02:22PM (#23813464)
Whose is talking about absolution.

Yes the US has done bad things. But there are degrees of bad things and I would argue China has done worst things and continues to do so.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayiner on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:33AM (#23808839)
And now Chile has the highest HDI in Latin America.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by bmitc on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:36AM (#23808858)
That is immaterial to the discussion.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by rayhendricks on Saturday July 11, 2020 @11:11PM (#23808480)
There is a difference. You can make fun of Trump/McConnel all day long, and no one cares because it is our free speech. Try putting a Xi Jinping blimp up in Beijing and see how fast you get arrested.

Try being a minority religion in China too...

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by save_ferris on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:32PM (#23808239)
Feel free to enlighten us.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by amanaplanacanal on Saturday July 11, 2020 @10:48PM (#23808328)
Estimates of up to a million people dead, for something they didn't do. It was pretty bad.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by frequentnapper on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:13AM (#23808744)
Americans didn't kill a million Iraqi people, the taliban and loads of other groups did.
Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by dragonwriter on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:20AM (#23808775)
> Americans didn't kill a million Iraqi people, the taliban and loads of other groups did.

The Taliban killed approximately zero Iraqis (you may be confusing al-Qaeda with the Taliban, and the group that after the war temporarily adopted the name “al-Qaeda in Iraq”, before becoming the Islamic State—that erupted into a major force because of the American mismanagement of the post-invasion occupation, most notably the almost entirely unmanaged demobilization of the security services—with al-Qaeda itself. Americans killed a lot themselves, as well as launching an unprovoked war of aggression which produced the context in which many others were killed beyond those Americans killed directly. But all of those deaths are America's fault and responsibility, even those that are also someone else’s fault and responsibility.

Re:Britain to give millions of HKers a path to citizenship by frequentnapper on Sunday July 12, 2020 @12:54AM (#23808940)
Taliban moved into Iraq after Saddam's fall. Yes I do agree that it was Bush administration's fault for toppling him and letting the mayhem loose, but to say that Americans killed a million iraqis is disingeuous.