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Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by Noos on Saturday July 11, 2020 @12:25AM (#23799486)
That's not teaching a computer to walk, that's building a walking machine. Subtle difference, but it's easy to prove; no matter how well you build a Boston dynamics robot, it will never like walking in the same way your TV will never like entertaining people. There's no "I" there to learn.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by simonh on Saturday July 11, 2020 @03:56AM (#23800392)
Way to change the goal posts. We built a machine than learned how to walk. Mission accomplished. The assertion in the article was either wrong or irrelevant, pick one.

Then a bald assertion, computers will never X. Says you. Just because we’re not there yet is no proof it’s impossible.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by codr7 on Saturday July 11, 2020 @06:56AM (#23801129)
My son learned how to stand up at 8 months, pretty soon he was walking and even running. No one had to teach him anything, he did this by observing the world around him and drawing his own conclusions.

This is not about definitions, since we don't even know what exactly we're chasing there are no ways to express the difference unambigously. What we get instead is one side trying to (unsuccessfully) define the difference and the other pretending it doesn't exist.

We're a long, long way from an AI learning how to walk by itself. Neural networks and machine learning is one piece of a puzzle, expert systems are probably in there somewhere as well. Perhaps one day we will identify all the pieces but we're definitely not even close.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by Thiez on Monday July 13, 2020 @01:03PM (#23822961)
Cows can walk minutes after they are born. I guess they're even smarter. You might argue that the walking calf is not intelligent because it came preprogrammed to walk, but human babies will reflexively start making stepping movements when you hold them upright and let their feet touch the ground. I think it's ridiculous to argue that your son somehow learned to walk through observation and reasoning alone.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by mattigames on Saturday July 11, 2020 @01:07AM (#23799676)
"Liking things" is just one part of a biological reward system not a metaphysical event, it is possible to create it just not with our current tech (so saying "never" is a stretch imo)
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by glenstein on Saturday July 11, 2020 @09:39AM (#23802121)
>That's not teaching a computer to walk, that's building a walking machine.

I think that's redefining teaching so that teaching, whatever it is, includes a subjective human 'ghost' inside of it.

But Dreyfus wasn't just saying that machines can do those things, only without a soul. Dreyfus was arguing that things such as walking are clever and subtle in ways that depend on tacit knowledge to execute successfully, and things that depend on it simply aren't even achievable by machines at all, because the nature of those tasks is such that they require a special magical soul. Being able to do the task at all, with or without a special magical soul, stands as a counterpoint to the argument Dreyfus had been making for half of the 20th century.