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Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by jupp0r on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:04PM (#23793643)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. In light of our limited understanding of how the brain works, claiming it is not possible to recreate its functions inside a computer programming is a much stronger claim than to assume that it’s possible and we just don’t know how. Unless we see a mathematical proof that it’s impossible, I think people who claim that it’s impossible are the same as people who claimed that only birds can fly and that it is impossible for machines to roam the skies.
Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by bena on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:23PM (#23793904)
This is just flipping the burden of proof around. What is your proof that it can be done? "But planes" is not proof.

I'm of the opinion that we don't even know what questions we are trying to answer.

What is intelligence? What is consciousness?

Can you explain them in concrete terms that are acceptable to everyone and don't have any notable exceptions? That's going to be the first step to being anywhere close to realizing general a.i..

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by vidarh on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:07PM (#23794438)
The strong indication that it can be done is that brains exists and grow guided by machinery that is computationally limited by the fact it takes up exceedingly little space, and we by extension can put an upper bound on the computational capacity of that machinery.

That there is a tough engineering job involved in reproducing such machinery so we can grown brain matter at will, and that we'd prefer our computers to be less squishy does not mean it is likely to be impossible to reproduce it.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by bena on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:45PM (#23795571)
"It exists, therefore we can make it." I don't find that line of thought compelling.

Although you can argue that we already do it because we, as a species, reproduce.

It could be quite possible that our level of intelligence is not reproducible by the means we have chosen. It could be that there is something inherent in our entire composition that allows for our particular expression of intelligence and consciousness.

I'm not saying it's impossible. I am saying that first, we don't even know what we're looking for. And when pressed as to what that is, the answer comes down to basically, "You know..." while gesturing broadly.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by vidarh on Saturday July 11, 2020 @07:36AM (#23801316)
It's indeed quite possible it is not reproducible by building digital computers out of silicon, sure, but that does not prevent us from picking another way of building them.

I'm very much sympathetic to the idea that there could potentially be aspects about the specific structure of a brain that is necessary to produce intelligence, or at least necessary for sentience. But does not inherently make it impossible to reproduce. For it to be impossible to reproduce a brain, there would need to be something in the cellular machinery used to construct a brain that we can not pick a party and replicate.

As a reminder, the argument made in the article is that it is impossible even in principle, not that it is impossible to do it using a digital computer of typical current architecture.

Re:Why general artificial intelligence will not be realized by bena on Saturday July 11, 2020 @09:28PM (#23807850)
And I go back to our lack of a fundamental definition of what we're trying to accomplish.

Tell me what it is first. Define "artificial general intelligence" in a way that is generally accepted.

Is it possible? I don't know because I don't even know what we're trying to do.