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Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by dang on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:56PM (#23788001)
I don't believe that's true. People imagine all kinds of things—invariably sinister, and invariably based on their personal likes and dislikes. The vast majority of this is over-interpreted randomness.

That's why the site guidelines ask you not to post evidenceless insinuations of astroturfing or brigading: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. There needs to be something objective to go on, not just however the mind connects the dots based on a few data points. People with opposite tastes to yours connect the dots in an entirely contradictory way, I assure you.

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by panpanna on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:41AM (#23788831)
Obviously any claims I make are based on "anecdata", since you guys are the only ones who hold the full data.

But please don't dismiss this so quickly. I have seen pretty harmless types of post getting brigaded or flagged pretty consistently. This happens more often to new or less known users - who might have something interesting to say but are quickly shut down.

Now, we can always blame it on different tastes or whatever, but knowing that certain companies engage heavily in "online presence" wouldn't it be naive to think they don't operate on HN too??

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by pvg on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:46AM (#23788853)
I have seen pretty harmless types of post getting brigaded or flagged pretty consistently.

Can you link some you've recently encountered?

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by panpanna on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:11AM (#23788982)
Well, for obvious reasons they are hard to find afterwards.
Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by Wowfunhappy on Friday July 10, 2020 @05:51PM (#23796959)
Turn on "Show Dead" in your profile. The posts will all become visible and can be linked to (although you will need to instruct potential viewers to also enable the profile setting).
Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by pvg on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:13AM (#23788991)
What are the obvious reasons? Are you saying posts and comments were outright deleted?
Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by dang on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:29PM (#23793973)
It's true that we have more data, but actually the public record is usually more than enough data to cast doubt on most such insinuations. The trouble is that the insinuators don't do the work of searching or checking, because the connect-the-dots activity of the mind feels so compelling. (There's sample bias here though: most people who do bother to either search or check will soon find that there's nothing convincing there and drop the idea. Or they might find a genuine pattern, in which case what they have is more than mere insinuation, and in that case they should send it to [email protected] so we can investigate. This is in the site guidelines: Please don't post insinuations about astroturfing, shilling, brigading, foreign agents and the like. It degrades discussion and is usually mistaken. If you're worried about abuse, email [email protected] and we'll look at the data. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

To pick an example from a different domain, when one commenter accuses another of being a communist shill for China (a ridiculously common recreation), it's easy enough to look at the latter's history. Frequently you'll find that that user has been posting about, say, Julia programming, and house prices in Boise, since 2014. (I made that up but this is typical.) Could they still be a communist agent? Sure they could, but this kind of thinking quickly becomes madness.

Occam offers a perfectly good null hypothesis: people just disagree. HN is a large enough population sample that you're going to see users from every background and disagreement about every topic, including on every big tech company, which many users have strong feelings for/against. For some reason, though, internet users aren't satisfied by that and crave much more sinister explanations when things they dislike show up in the forum.

There are cognitive biases underlying this (I've written about them at [1] and [2], if you or anyone is curious), and I'm not seeing any information in your comments here that isn't easily within the normal range of such biases. Real astroturfing and other abuses exist—you can look through the endless history of [3] to find plenty of times where I talk about that and a few cases where we actually find it. But there's no question that real abuse is dwarfed by the imaginary abuses that internet users love to speculate about. Therefore the rule is: if you're to going to bring this up you need something objective to go on. It can't just be based on memory and feeling, because memory and feeling are entirely unreliable on this.

[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23308098, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23716395

[3] https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by geronimoe on Friday July 10, 2020 @06:40AM (#23790074)
Check out my post history. I use this account to comment on politically hot topics on HN, and my highest scoring comment was removed, in fact the entire thread of that comment is gone.

Was it because I broke some rule, or was it because someone didn't like what I said?

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by dang on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:50PM (#23794238)
Yes, you're breaking the rule against using HN for political or ideological battle. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Accounts that have been created to do that are low-quality accounts that soon accrue moderation penalties and eventually get banned—not because we disagree with the politics but because this is the main form of flamewar destroying this site. HN is a place for intellectual curiosity and curious conversation. If you want to do ideological warfare on the internet, that's a different game and you need to play it elsewhere.

Your comment didn't get removed. It did get detached from its original parent. That's standard moderation when the top comment gets replies that don't respond specifically to what it says (a.k.a. topjacking).

Re:A Tesla YouTuber Wants a Gas Car and Now YouTube Keeps Ta... by geronimoe on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:14PM (#23795170)
Oh ouch, nice. Alright I should just stop posting on HN with this.