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Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by nullc on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:44PM (#23787308)
This kind of surveillance is not very effective for preventing or solving crimes.

It is much more effective at making lists of people willing to lawfully and peacefully stand for the human rights or others, -- "potential subversives", as the parties monitoring might call them.

Imagine, instead, if law enforcement were to stand outside of a marijuana-legalization rally and collect the sort of data effectively collected here: name, address, duration of involvement. They'd end up in court immediately, and it would likely be found that their actions had a chilling effect which created a prior restraint on the public's constitutionally protected speech.

Yet online this kind of data collection amasses more data and is more chilling due secretive nature since you never know when you're not being tracked.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by due737y3 on Friday July 10, 2020 @12:02AM (#23788023)
I'm not sure the crime solving utility is wholly relevant here, police have other duties like maintaining public safety. The obvious utility seems to be monitoring different protest zones for signs that violence is beginning to break out. If x people are suddenly tweeting about a fire or gun shots near an active protest then you know it would probably be wise to at least send a scout over there to evaluate the situation. This method also has the benefit of removing the need to have riot-ready police pre-emptively deployed to zones where everyone is keeping things calm.

Anecdotally, I was able to spectate active looting in my own city's downtown when the protests first came to us via various livestreaming instagrammers and while it was mostly a curiosity for me I imagine it would have been useful to a dispatcher who had to decide where to send officers. I don't see why twitter couldn't serve a similarly useful purpose.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by jMyles on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:01PM (#23795745)
> I was able to spectate active looting in my own city's downtown when the protests first came to us via various livestreaming instagrammers and while it was mostly a curiosity for me I imagine it would have been useful to a dispatcher who had to decide where to send officers

We all watched the same thing in our cities. And we watched as the police chose to launch projectiles into crowds of protestors instead of doing anything about the smashing and looting.

On the first night of large protests (May 29), I found myself in my city of Portland, OR, on SW 3rd and Yamhill. On one side of me (to the East), where a small group of matching black-clad people had gone, were the unambiguous sounds of windows being smashed and building alarms going off. In other directions, especially South and West, there were huge groups of protestors, simply occupying the area.

The police engaged, without a single exception that came to my awareness, in the latter group, breaking them up into smaller and smaller contingents as the night went on, while doing nothing about the much smaller group going around smashing.

I described my experience in detail the following morning.[0]

The same story has emerged from streamed video throughout the USA.

So I don't think there's any evidence at this time that the police view stopping rioting or "active looting" as a goal.

0: https://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/gtj1zm/what_i_saw...

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by banannaise on Tuesday July 14, 2020 @10:14AM (#23832197)
"This method also has the benefit of removing the need to have riot-ready police pre-emptively deployed to zones where everyone is keeping things calm."

Let's take a moment to determine how likely it is that the cops will stop sending small battalions of riot police into situations where they are highly unnecessary. As protests have gotten smaller in many cities, police have started sending riot police that outnumber the protestors. They have shown no interest in measured responses.

It would be nice if the police used data to reduce their use of force, but that appears to be antithetical to their way of thinking.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by nullc on Friday July 10, 2020 @09:26PM (#23798573)
> police have other duties like maintaining public safety

In the US it is not legally correct to claim that the police have any duty to provide any specific police service. (Warren v. District of Columbia)

But pedantry aside, they could monitor twitter and whatnot for violence outbreak without collecting any identifyable information.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by UncleMeat on Friday July 10, 2020 @11:42AM (#23792679)
> police have other duties like maintaining public safety

This duty has been used to justify arresting peaceful people and creating violent situations for decades. "He was gonna cause trouble".

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Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by textgel on Friday July 10, 2020 @07:26AM (#23790390)
Does anyone know mechanically what this^ is? The account has sat dormant for 2 years after making 2 comments in 2018 and after 2 years of silence it spits out this. Is it part of some sort of farmed bot network? Or is it an old account that got cracked and used by spammers?
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by sitkack on Friday July 10, 2020 @08:16AM (#23790727)
It is rude to talk about someone in the 3rd person directly in front of them.

These topics bring out a lot of emotion in people, coupled with regular HN passive aggressive snark volleyed back and forth, of which your comment<T> fits.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by iron0013 on Friday July 10, 2020 @11:25AM (#23792440)
Your account is less than 2 months old.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by gophicer on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:59AM (#23792141)
Yeah not hacked but thanks for confirming your whiteness.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by onion2k on Friday July 10, 2020 @05:00AM (#23789527)
Imagine, instead, if law enforcement were to stand outside of a marijuana-legalization rally and collect the sort of data effectively collected here: name, address, duration of involvement.

They sort of do, by filming it and using facial recognition to identify people.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by raxxorrax on Friday July 10, 2020 @02:44AM (#23788844)
Twitter-affiliated is interesting too since the pretend to care so much about the issue. Well, they seem to care on a very personal level.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by 0xy on Friday July 10, 2020 @03:27AM (#23789065)
They care the minimum amount required to shut up their vocal employees on this issue.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by tharne on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:58AM (#23792127)
When corporations take a stand on an issue, they're just making a bet on who they think is going to win, it's got nothing to do with morals.

I guarantee if Trump got legitimately reelected with 80% of the vote, you'd see every company quickly replacing those "We Stand with BLM" banners with some bright red MAGA flair.

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Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by heavyset_go on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:07PM (#23787759)
> The argument can be made that to protect peaceful assemblies, tools need to be engineered so those rioters can be differentiated from the lawful protesters and bring them to justice.

This is the same reasoning behind the argument for putting backdoors into crypto algorithms, and it's a bad argument for the same reasons.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by joshribakoff on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:07PM (#23787762)
As a law abiding protestor I don’t buy this because it was done to me without my knowledge. They can use tools to watch criminals without compiling data on peaceful protestors without their knowledge
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by zimpenfish on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:44AM (#23789456)
> dress homogeneously all clad in black

Much like the police when they obscure or remove their names and/or badge numbers, no?

> but in fact they do so to commit acts of violence and then meld away in the crowd, effectively taking hostage the lawful protesters.

Yep, you got that right.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by aspaceman on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:23AM (#23789344)
> tools need to be engineered so those rioters can be differentiated from the lawful protesters and bring them to justice.

Tools need to be engineered to bring murderers, killers, rapists, and jackbooted jarheads to justice.

Murderers are being let free. Society should revolt at such injustice. I wish folks talked with such conviction about the folks raping, murdering, and killing with impunity. Beating protestors without care, etc. Instead they reserve "bring them to justice" for broken windows and stolen Nikes. What a country.

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by mintplant on Friday July 10, 2020 @12:01AM (#23788019)
You write with such conviction and certainty, and yet I must point out that it's black bloc, not "block".
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by pmarreck on Friday July 10, 2020 @10:28AM (#23791767)
I, too, used to be a grammar fascist.

Then I fell in love with an otherwise quite intelligent woman with dyslexia

At some point I just stopped trying to correct her to/too/two confusion

It would be nice if everyone used correct grammar. But you understood what they were trying to say, which is what made it possible for you to suggest the correction.

What I'm getting at is that I now think it's impolite to call someone out on their grammer in a public forum (I know you saw what I did, there)

The tone of online discourse has eroded so badly of late that I think it's best to become a politeness fascist now.

We don't call people out on their lisp, their tics, their stutter, their mumbling, their gait... but calling people out on their spelling online is OK apparently

Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by hevelvarik on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:06AM (#23788328)
The grandparent also wrote with absolute conviction but you take no issue with that because spelling, right
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by mintplant on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:48AM (#23788548)
I'm expressing doubt that 'TeeMassive is well-informed about black bloc tactics or that their claims are rooted in truth, since they made a basic error that would seem to stem from third-hand hearsay.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by Xylakant on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:52AM (#23788567)
Or it could stem from mere auto completion or any kind of spell checking.
Re:Police surveilled protests with help from Twitter-affilia... by pnako on Friday July 10, 2020 @04:41AM (#23789444)
Do you have a problem with grammar anarchists?