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Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by alex_young on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:48PM (#23782128)
Can you really be both a public figure and keep your identity hidden by way of asking?

There’s a playbook for this. Look at Banksy for example. If you don’t want your identity out there it’s your job to protect it. Not the New York Times.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by modeless on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:55PM (#23782212)
Banksy's identity is right on his Wikipedia page for anyone who really wants to know. I think NYT and other media are keeping him "anonymous" by way of asking. They could easily publish his name if they wanted. Unlike SSC, Banksy seems to hold similar political views to NYT, so they have no problem playing along.

The only truly anonymous public figure I'm aware of is Satoshi Nakamoto and I'm pretty sure that the only reason he stayed anonymous is that he died before he could be definitively found out.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by Reedx on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:06PM (#23782371)
> Banksy's identity is right on his Wikipedia page

Maybe, but it's not confirmed.

"Banksy's name and identity remain unconfirmed and the subject of speculation."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy#Personal_life_and_dis...

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by DubiousPusher on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:27PM (#23782629)
> Banksy seems to hold similar political views to NYT, so they have no problem playing along.

Genuinely curious of your basis for this. As far as I can tell SSC and most rationalist adjacents are basically neo-libs which the NYT has been a bastion of for decades.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by profgerm on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:37PM (#23787897)
One belongs to the Northern Conservative Baptist Great Lakes Region Council of 1912, and the other to 1897 [1].

It’s the narcissism of small differences, and the treatment of heretics versus pagans.

They- the NYT and SSC- do have, probably, 99% overlap politically, but that’s not too far off from the difference between humans and chimps either. It’s that last 1% that really generates a lot of friction between them.

As the article says, Scott would tolerate conversations with vile people and egregious ideas. The NYT would rather dox them.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/stage/2005/sep/29/comedy.religio...

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by DubiousPusher on Saturday July 11, 2020 @12:43PM (#23803447)
As a lapsed Baptist and former theology student this has been a favorite joke of mine for years. It has even been a great proverb for demonstrating to friends not familiar with church history the banal origins of the many schisms that has spanned the tree of Christianity. I had no idea it had such a recent or conspicuous origin. Thanks for sharing.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by astine on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:33PM (#23784124)
SSC has been critical of the way the news media works in the past. Just because they might fit in the same ideological bucket in your schema doesn't mean that the NYT would see SSC as a friend. I'm not saying that's why we're at this impasse, just that your argument is flawed.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by DubiousPusher on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:17PM (#23784659)
I did not assert that the NYT and SSC should be friends because they have similar political alignment. Whether they are friends or not is irrelevant to my question. The OP indicated that the NYT might be more inclined towards the politics of Banksy than to the politics of SSC. I am simply asking the basis of that assertion. As a casual reader of both they appear pretty aligned with one another politically.

There are a multitude of reasons the NYT might be biased in favor of Banksy and against SSC. But so far as I can tell political alignment is probably not the issue. Though I could be wrong. That is why I asked for clarity.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by astine on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:44PM (#23784974)
If you weren't making an argument then I'm sorry for assuming you were.

I'd suggest that you are probably dismissing political alignment too quickly, however. Even if they seem similar to you, the difference might seem important to them. Late Roman Christians fought literal wars over the presence of a letter 'i' in a single word, denoting a difference that probably wouldn't seem all that important to someone who wasn't a Christian, for instance.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by DubiousPusher on Thursday July 09, 2020 @06:06PM (#23785795)
Precisely. I am curious as to what the proverbial 'i's might be in this case.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by adventured on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:32PM (#23782699)
> and most rationalist adjacents are basically neo-libs which the NYT has been a bastion of for decades.

That New York Times no longer exists and hasn't for well over a decade.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by DubiousPusher on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:13PM (#23783226)
I do not follow. The paper seems to be basically the same as it has been for almost a century, an institution which essentially does the work of the news from the perspectives and prejudices of its North Eastern upper middle class constituency and which gives wide deference to institutions which it deems qualified such as the military, civil service and certain NGOs.

But I am open to the idea that my interpretation is missing something.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by whatshisface on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:51PM (#23782160)
Banksy is an interesting example because the NYT probably does know who he is. It's not that much of a secret.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by 627467 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:06PM (#23782367)
Yeah, that's why now I want to know what NYT had to write about SSC that "required doxxing the source against their will".
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by atlasunshrugged on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:03PM (#23782339)
Is it really obvious? I just skimmed the Wikipedia page and didn't see it - who is it?
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by jasonv on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:26PM (#23782626)
"Banksy is often assumed to be Robin..."
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by atlasunshrugged on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:39PM (#23783516)
lol duh, sorry and thanks.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by smt88 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:09PM (#23782403)
It doesn't seem like Alexander tried that hard to stay pseudonymous anyway. He has published under his full name.

It seems that his major issue was his full name becoming NYT-level famous, which is reasonable. I think that happens to lots of private citizens who get covered by mainstream news, like a IRL "hug of death".

If my premises are correct, then it doesn't seem like NYT's responsibility to keep his name private when he himself didn't do it.

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by everybodyknows on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:02PM (#23782322)
A reasonable claim of principle, but difficult in practice. Consider that quite a few people believe they know the true identity of Banksy: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banksy
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by MattGaiser on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:01PM (#23782308)
NYT knows who Banksy is. He gets to have anonymity.
Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by ggreer on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:22PM (#23782577)
Even when a subject's legal name is known, the NYT regularly uses a pen name or pseudonym to protect their identity. Here are some examples:

- Virgil Texas, co-host of the Chapo Trap House podcast: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/29/us/politics/bernie-sander...

- Vermin Supreme, performance artist: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/30/us/politics/libertarians-...

- Drag queens such as Lil Miss Hot Mess, Sister Roma, and Heklina: https://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/25/fashion/drag-performers-f...

- Baseball statistician Tom Tango: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/magazine/why-are-some-new...

- Gay niche erotica writer Chuck Tingle: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/opinion/chuck-tingles-int...

- A Canadian who traveled to Syria to fight for ISIS: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/20/podcasts/caliphate-transc...

- A random person: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/nyregion/commodes-if-not-...

> A second person who checked out the women’s restroom — and who asked not to be identified because she has always wanted to be an anonymous source — reported her findings by email...

- Jeremiah Moss: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/05/nyregion/a-cranky-blogger...

> Mr. Moss, which is not his real name — more on that to come — took part in a doomed attempt to save the Café Edison, a beloved Times Square coffee shop whose landlord was looking to replace it with a classier establishment. ... A therapist and a writer, he says he is worried that clients might object to his activism.

"A therapist and a writer", hmmm... who else fits that description? Oh right, Scott Alexander!

Re:Slate Star Codex and Silicon Valley’s War Against the Media by joshuamorton on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:13PM (#23783227)
> Even when a subject's legal name is known, the NYT regularly uses a pen name or pseudonym to protect their identity. Here are some examples:

I don't think using the examples of performing artists is a good one. Vermin and the Drag queens don't use pseudonyms to protect their identities any more than Beyonce (a stage name that is a part of her legal name, as in SSC's case) or Lady Gaga (a stage name) use those names for "protection" or privacy. They aren't really, they're branding.

In fact, from the draq queen article you cite:

> “I started a big fuss,” said Sister Roma, whose legal name is Michael Williams. “Then Facebook called me and offered to organize a meeting.”

It's a direct counterexample.