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Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by zozin on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:17AM (#23779354)
I get the sense that digital nomadism is akin to a multi-level marketing scam; the only people making actual money are the ones recruiting others to the "lifestyle" by advertising their blogs, books and guides (see OP).
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by digitalhobo33 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:20AM (#23780528)
Years ago I sort of did the digital nomad thing for about 8 years in Western Europe, but I managed to spend a good amount of time in every continent but Antarctica. I earned between $25k and $100k a year working about 10 to 20 hours a week and spent most of the money on alcohol and women. I had to work pretty hard the first couple years just to kick-start the whole thing though. The final year was a total blowout and I played video games all day and partied 5 or 6 nights a week. I ended up killing the business through neglect, but that final year of total freedom was worth it.

The bad part was that I ended up in my early 30's with no money, no job, and a very unattractive CV/Resume. The good part is that I was socially transformed. I'm way more confident now, especially around groups of strangers.

I never wrote about this before nor have I ever written a blog, but I met plenty of people living similar lives. Anyway I guess my point is that there are plenty of people out there doing things without blogging about it. But you're not going to meet them online.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by specialist on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:46PM (#23782874)
"...and spent most of the money on alcohol and women."

"I spent a lot of money on booze, birds [women] and fast cars – the rest I just squandered" -- George Best

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Best#cite_note-10

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by bythckr on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:48AM (#23781520)
a serious question, what "work" did you do?

I am curious to know what kind of profession has the option to be a digital nomad. They only one I figured is being a journalist or a writer.

What types of business do you do being a nomad?

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by steveklabnik on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:12PM (#23781744)
I don't know if I ever identified with "digital nomad," but I have traveled a lot.

Roles that are what is now called "developer relations" or similar effectively force you into an adjacent lifestyle.

Freelance development can often support this kind of thing.

Basically, any sort of remote job.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by ghaff on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:39PM (#23782017)
Similarly, I've never thought of myself as a "digital nomad" and actually do own a house. But prior to travel shutting down, it would absolutely have been practical for me to put my stuff in storage, ask a friend or family member to let me use their address as my home address, and live at least around the Americas or Europe as I saw fit. Given that I was traveling 1/3 of the time anyway, what's another 2/3rds?
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by steveklabnik on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:40PM (#23782030)
Yep, exactly.

What's kind of amusing/terrible is that while doing this I was almost always living in very high COL areas, while a digital nomad would be off somewhere extremely inexpensive. Oh well, money isn't everything.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by ghaff on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:51PM (#23782157)
I actually did this for someone who was basically living on the road for an aerospace company for a number of years. They shifted most bills etc. online and I kept my eye out for anything critical such as drivers license renewals and forwarded that kind of thing to her company's mail forwarding PO Box.
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by steveklabnik on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:33PM (#23782706)
Yeah. Some of it I was only able to make work because a partner was willing to work with me on the money side. In the long term it wasn’t fair, though.
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by ghaff on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:58PM (#23783030)
It's almost certainly easier than it used to be because you can do so much online, everyone has a mobile number, etc. There are even basically "address as a service" services for mail forwarding and the like. Still, there's probably more peace of mind (and it's probably somewhat more legit) to be officially living somewhere with someone reliable even if you just happen to almost never be there.

When I was doing it for my friend, it was never that big a deal. But stuff did come up every now and then that needed to be handled.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by ghaff on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:31PM (#23781943)
In principle, any job that you can do fully remotely.

Having said that, you'll need a home base where you "officially" live and can legally work from--and, if you're an employee of a company (i.e. not an independent consultant), you probably need to be up-front about what you're doing and many companies may have issues with the legal ramifications.

That said, in practice, before the pandemic I traveled about a third of the time so having some sort of nominal home base in the US and otherwise being on the road really wouldn't have been that much of a stretch compared to my usual. I do marketing-related stuff for a computer software company.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by austhrow743 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:55AM (#23781589)
Software development is huge with remote work.
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by JamesSwift on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:12PM (#23781748)
It was pretty popular for online poker players when that was big
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by tristor on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:06AM (#23780360)
As someone who was a digital nomad and now works more or less permanently from home in the US, I can say that this is absolutely not true. There are definitely "digital nomads" that could be described that way because they are operating affiliates businesses off of a travel blog and monetizing social media, and I guess more power to them. But most of the digital nomads I met, including myself, worked actual full-time jobs for actual companies while abroad.

Becoming a digital nomad isn't about making money... in fact if you do it properly it's at best break-even or slightly cheaper than just renting a place to live in the US and staying put, but could be vastly more expensive. It's about exploring the world, expanding your viewpoint, and inspiring you to think differently. Going abroad helped my engineering work immensely, and also gave me a chance use time zones to my advantage to improve my health by adapting my sleep cycle to my body's needs rather than the whims of an employer. It also got me moving much more despite working on a computer all day, which greatly improved my health as well. Being able to leave work and actually go do something new, interesting, and exciting each day had a positive effect on work/life balance and was the perfect way to combat the burnout I was experiencing as a senior engineer before I stepped on the plane.

I don't advocate being a digital nomad, because I think it's something that's not for everybody and it had its own set of challenges and stressors. But I don't think it's some sort of MLM get-rich quick scheme by people either. You are only seeing the aspect of it shown by social media which is dominated by "influencers" using their skill at marketing and manipulation to enrich themselves. But if you talk to most people who lived the lifestyle, they were normal joes doing normal jobs, just in a location-independent fashion. Not everyone who is a digital nomad is a white 20-something from New York or LA that decided to take their affiliate blog on the road and write a book to be self-published by Amazon, probably less than 10% of the digital nomads I met along the way were like that. I met a lot of people during my time due to using coworking facilities in so many places.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by austhrow743 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:36AM (#23781391)
If you're not a digital nomad yourself or otherwise living in digital nomad desirable locations it would make sense that you never encounter any organically, and that just leaves you with those that are pushing the lifestyle.

I don't understand how you could be skeptical of the idea, it's pretty simple. Step 1, have remote job or contract work. Step 2, choose not to stay in one location. The end.

Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by bryanrasmussen on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:31AM (#23779452)
I guess I'd disagree, since multi-level marketing scams are marketed as ways to make money, and as a general rule that is not what digital nomadism is marketed as.
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by jamalx31 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:26AM (#23779417)
a digital nomad myself I have to disagree. digital nomadism is just a life style like any other, and it's not for everyone. I know many ppl who tried it and went back to 9-5 jobs and thats totally fine
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by mszcz on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:04AM (#23779724)
Where can I buy your book on how to do it successfully? :))
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by jamalx31 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:10AM (#23779758)
hehe, I didn't write one (yet :p). but if you wanna chat about it, i'm down. ping me on twitter
Re:Between Workaholism and Procrastination (2015) by mszcz on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:17AM (#23779825)
Oh, it was just a joke ;) I've been down this road way too many times - procrastinating instead of working by "researching" or "learning" how to do things differently, more efficiently, learing new tools, paradigms etc. that will improve my productivity and whatnot.

What I've learned is it's way better to just do stuff and improve things as you go (be that the optimal way to be a digital nomad or whatever ;)