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Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by zwaps on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:25AM (#23778089)
I have a question regarding the reddit redesign (of a while ago). This is not a joke. I literally have trouble reading relevant comments there now.

I guess I don't understand how to browse reddit correctly. Say there is a thread and it has replies. Now I want to read the replies. Via "old.reddit.com", the replies are listed below.

In the new reddit, most replies are hidden. If I click on "continue thread etc.", then again a window opens where some replies are shown, but not all - neither in the branch of the thread nor generally. If I scroll down, I end up in a different reddit thread altogether.

I have to frantically click several links to find all replies, or alternatively I switch to the old layout.

I am convinced I am just dumb, but I just don't get the interface. So let me genuinely ask: How does one browse reddit correctly nowadays? There must be some logic behind the redesign that I don't get.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by sillysaurusx on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:41AM (#23778179)
If you’re dumb, then so am I. Like everyone else here, when I ran into that problem, I abandoned the new reddit for old.reddit.

It helps to realize that you’re not really their target audience. The goal is to keep reddit users on reddit for as long as possible. Counterintuitively, one way to do that is to stuff the screen full of seemingly unrelated stuff, because most people are there to see unrelated stuff. They’re not there to read a comment thread in full. In fact, it wouldn’t be surprising to learn that 90% of traffic doesn’t read comments at all, most of the time.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by peex on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:44AM (#23779558)
> In fact, it wouldn’t be surprising to learn that 90% of traffic doesn’t read comments at all, most of the time.

I don't think so. Askreddit is one of the most popular subreddits.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by amenod on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:32AM (#23778135)
One solution is to simply use old reddit until they get their act together. With a plugin it is easy: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/old-reddit-re...

Not sure how long they will keep old.reddit.com around though...

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by toyg on Thursday July 09, 2020 @05:43AM (#23778489)
> With a plugin it is easy

Why would you need a plugin? You just set it in your preferences and it will switch to that as soon as you log on, isn't it...? At least that's what happens to me.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by OGWhales on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:17AM (#23779349)
Same for me. Some report this doesn't work but I can't confirm if they are choosing the correct settings as I have never had an issue with that even on multiple accounts.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by ubercow13 on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:13AM (#23779782)
It's useful if you use something like Firefox containers and aren't necessarily logged in when you visit a reddit link
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by toyg on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:22AM (#23779857)
I use the Multi-Account Containers extension [1] and make sure the "always with" option is ticked, so the browser will automatically switch to the right container, where the right cookies live. This said, obviously it doesn't work in Private Windows and it's indeed annoying as hell to use Reddit in that case.

[1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by skocznymroczny on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:17AM (#23779347)
they switch you back to the "new" design every day or so and you have to switch it again.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by saati on Thursday July 09, 2020 @08:43AM (#23779547)
That's simply not true.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by weaksauce on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:15AM (#23780467)
It does happen that you can have the setting on and them sending you to new reddit. It’s happened many times for me.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by saati on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:31AM (#23780660)
It did happen to me, but only a few times and it was transient, it seemed like the frontend can't reach the settings DB intermittently.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by prophesi on Thursday July 09, 2020 @11:54AM (#23781574)
I'm really not sure if I can attribute Hanlon's razor to this. When you log in, that's by definition hitting the database, and should return your settings. Place that in a cookie/localstorage and it should still know your settings offline.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by saati on Thursday July 09, 2020 @03:22PM (#23784015)
There is no single database at the scale reddit operates.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by prophesi on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:02PM (#23784454)
My bad, *a database.

I'm pretty sure I saw in an AMA that Reddit has an Accounts database (maybe split further by sharding) which I'd assume holds your settings as well.

But I rescind my point; it could very well be attributed to database infrastructure issues, whether that's hitting a shard with stale data, or splitting account settings to its own DB that it can't access when you log in.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by weaksauce on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:04PM (#23787422)
at this point they should have those setting at an equilibrium
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by hinkley on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:32PM (#23787246)
How many years have we been saying that now?
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by rurp on Thursday July 09, 2020 @01:09PM (#23782407)
I have wondered the exact same thing. Hiding and fragmenting the comments like they do is such an incredibly awful UX that it seems incomprehensible to me that it's intentional. And yet, it sounds like we aren't missing anything, the design really is that bad.

I guess it's supposed to increase engagement/addiction, but it does the complete opposite for me. Having to click through 5+ links just to try to read 15 short comments is extremely aggravating. I know about old.reddit but its days are probably numbered so why keep fighting with a site that hates me and my time? I just avoid Reddit whenever possible these days.

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by weaksauce on Thursday July 09, 2020 @10:13AM (#23780446)
New reddit is so bad I can’t believe they are pushing it. It’s slower. It’s less usable. The us is worse. It’s worse in every way. I hate it and I only say that I hate anything very, very rarely.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by hian on Thursday July 09, 2020 @12:56PM (#23782230)
I think on the redesign you have to be logged in to show all the replies by default. That has been my experience anyway.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by thinkling on Thursday July 09, 2020 @02:46PM (#23783595)
Yes, when you log in the "click to see more comments" largely goes away. It's unusable without being logged in -- perhaps by design.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by unionpivo on Thursday July 09, 2020 @05:22AM (#23778369)
If you ever figure it out please post it here. Funnily enough it would probably be front page news here and on Reddit :)

i also just open every sub conversation in new tab, on occasions when i can't login to reddit. (since they conveniently forget that you were on old.reddid.com if you are not logged in )

Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by bobobob420 on Friday July 10, 2020 @01:46AM (#23788539)
They just want people to use their app. I honestly think their strategy is to piss off non app users into using their app. I tried out the app after years of mobile safari browsing and the experience is clearly heavily optimized.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by drcongo on Thursday July 09, 2020 @04:57AM (#23778257)
Reddit is the worst site on the web. I absolutely hate trying to read anything on there for all the reasons you listed, and I _never_ go there intentionally. I have no idea why something so user-hostile is seemingly so popular.
Re:Reddit's website uses DRM for fingerprinting by bserge on Thursday July 09, 2020 @09:35AM (#23779987)
The new layout is just bizarre, I'm guessing their real goal was something else, like more clicks (on ads?).