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Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by runako on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:18PM (#23717553)
> attached to southern identity

Southerner here. The South is a very diverse place with a sizable African-American population.

Perhaps I'm just missing all the African-Americans who proudly fly the Confederate battle flag, but my perception is the flag is used by a small subset of white southerners as an anti-virtue-signaling device.

Are you suggesting that African-Americans identify with the Confederate battle flag flown in service of keeping their ancestors enslaved, or did you mean that the flag had attached to a particular subset of Southern identity? Please expand, I'm curious.

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by TheAdamAndChe on Thursday July 02, 2020 @04:53PM (#23717928)
The fact that it isn't a symbol of southern heritage for everyone doesn't mean it's not a southern symbol for many.

Are you suggesting that African-Americans identify with the Confederate battle flag...?

No, and nothing in my comments suggested that. It makes sense that they wouldn't since their relatives probably didn't after the war. For many people, their relatives did identify with the flag. It probably started as something racist by the survivors of the war, but morphed into what it is today, something that isn't considered racist by most around where I live. Do you really think NASCAR, a big business, would have previously allowed it to be flown if it was universally considered a hate symbol?

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by filleduchaos on Thursday July 02, 2020 @05:37PM (#23718356)
> It probably started as something racist by the survivors of the war, but morphed into what it is today, something that isn't considered racist by most around where I live.

I am saying this as gently as possible: the majority of bigots don't walk around thinking or saying "Wow I sure am a bigot!". They mostly just think of themselves as normal people with normal values.

> Do you really think NASCAR, a big business, would have previously allowed it to be flown if it was universally considered a hate symbol?

There is a team in the NFL that is named a literal slur against indigenous Americans. I am not quite sure where one would get the idea that the US sports industry is a bastion of sensitivity.

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by pmiller2 on Thursday July 02, 2020 @05:19PM (#23718182)
> The fact that it isn't a symbol of southern heritage for everyone doesn't mean it's not a southern symbol for many.

Could that be because there isn't just one type of "southern heritage?" Do you really want to equate the southern heritage of black people in the south with those who fly the Confederate battle flag?

Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by IncRnd on Thursday July 02, 2020 @08:35PM (#23719735)
If you search at images.google.com for "black people confederate flag" without quotes, you will see black people who support the confederate flag. Strangely, that is practically all that is shown for pages. I don't know what all of their reasons are, but they exist and those people have just as much of a right to their beliefs as others have. They are people with their own heritage. One heritage is that some people fought for freedom and the ability to secede, not for slavery.
Re:MS will ban Forza players who add the confederate flag to... by themacguffinman on Thursday July 02, 2020 @09:10PM (#23720019)
Slavery was also something that wasn't considered bad by most around where you live. Thankfully, people not around where you live disagreed. "Universally" is just a weasel word.

It was started as something racist and still remains incredibly racist to pretty much everyone else, despite doe-eyed claims from southerners who want people to believe that a 5 year long pro-slavery rebellion represents the history and pride of the South.