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Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by ferros on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:04AM (#23651506)
Virgin’s unrealised value is in the government handouts and concession that are still to come.

Virgin is the second and only competitor to Australia’s main carrier QANTAS, and sole carrier for some routes.

The government will not let them fade away. Big money and concessions will be forthcoming.

Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by gindely on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:20AM (#23651639)
Why will Virgin be treated differently than Ansett? (I was pretty young when Ansett went bankrupt, but Virgin's reputation seems to have been "trying to be Ansett and make a duopoly again".)
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by tomhoward on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:54AM (#23651984)
Virgin won't get special treatment, but the Australian government, like all governments, will give the whole commercial aviation industry concessions and benefits to help keep it afloat, as it is of importance for economic and security reasons.

It's a different scenario to when Ansett went under, as back then the problem was isolated to Ansett, and the industry was still fundamentally strong (due in part to the entrance of Virgin, which at that stage was an up-and-coming low-cost carrier with solid backing from Branson and other early investors).

The AU government wasn't willing to bail VA out of insolvency, but now that a private buyer has come in to restructure it, it will be able to get the same benefits as Qantas.

Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by thejohnconway on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:50AM (#23651949)
When Ansett went broke Virgin had just entered the market (further undercutting prices), so there was competition to Qantas. Now what else is there?
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by tomhoward on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:59AM (#23652027)
There was a rumour that the AU government was willing to let VA collapse and hope that a foreign low-cost airline like Ryanair or Easyjet would enter the market. But it's unlikely any airline is in a strong enough position to make that kind of move at the moment. So they will likely offer a restructured VA the same kind of support as they'll offer Qantas.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by postingawayonhn on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:46AM (#23652552)
Rex has been talking about buying some bigger jets to try and grab market share while Virgin and Qantas are struggling.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by nojs on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:25AM (#23651675)
Unlikely I’d say. The govt has not been forthcoming so far, and the company is mostly foreign owned anyway right?
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by aryonoco on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:11AM (#23652145)
Correct, until a couple of years ago, VA was pretty much owner by Air New Zealand, Singapore Airlines and Etihad each having about 22%. Richard Branson's Virgin Group had less than 10% and the rest was publicly held by mostly retail investors. Then Air NZ sold their shares to a Chinese consortium.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by ferros on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:09AM (#23652134)
I think they have avoided any handouts to accelerate(Or at least not delay) a sale. Now that there is new ownership I expect they will come to the table.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by fphhotchips on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:04PM (#23658367)
Not to pass judgement on the wisdom of this strategy either way, but this decade's Liberal government hasn't been particularly open to saving/subsidising foreign owned businesses just because they maintain a national industry. Otherwise GM and Ford would still have factories here.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by maltelandwehr on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:30AM (#23652358)
Why would a country need two domestic airlines? To keep one alive makes sense as a strategic asset. But two? Can just make the market more friendly to foreign airlines if more competition is needed/wanted.
Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by bluGill on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:02AM (#23652731)
Foreign competition is a problem because employees of the domestic company vote (the foreign company doesn't have a large back office of voters). Thus the domestic company can vote for things good for them bad for competition and bad for the country. Two companies means that the thing voted for is more likely to be fair because a number of good for one ideas are not possible with the other opposing it.

Note that many of the things good for the domestic company are bad for the country overall. However non employees are not individually harmed as much as employees are individually helped. Thus most voters won't oppose the bad regulations.

Re:Virgin Australia administrators agree to sell airline to ... by JoblessWonder on Friday June 26, 2020 @01:14PM (#23654373)
Has Australia not given any bailouts to the airlines yet?