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Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by baron816 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:35PM (#23647480)
I really hope we see some specialized remote worker residential communities in the future. Actually, I’m sure there’ll be money in building them.

Imagine a small town with no cars or roads. The community has lots of events to socialize you with your neighbors. Lots of traditions and festivals. Some communities may look like Brooklyn—row houses, except just grass and trees lining the blocks. Maybe another community would have a quirkier layout, with maze-like walking paths between apartment buildings.

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by vechagup on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:48PM (#23647567)
And perhaps when enough of these like-minded remote workers are living near each other, some of them will find that they enjoy working in the same physical location at the same time. Then some of the space in the community can be turned into hubs for in-person collaboration, or offices!
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by mb7733 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:27PM (#23648098)
Not sure if you're being dismissive, but that still sounds great. It would lead to many small, livable communities with opportunity dotting the country. As opposed to everyone living in suburbs and and making long commutes to a small number of massive urban centers.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by toyg on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:51AM (#23650943)
That’s basically the model IBM was actively pursuing in the 90s-00s (no idea whether they still do). They ran a bunch of studies in the previous decades, showing the various trade-offs involved into office locations; eventually they decided the best overall policy was to prefer mid-size offices in suburban settings, away from business districts and other high-density areas. At one point I think they had an outright ban on new city-centre offices.

(Or at least this is what I was told when I was a contractor for them in the mid-00s in Europe, wondering why they avoided getting a single building in Manchester city centre and spread over two separate locations in the surrounding suburbs instead.)

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by ghaff on Friday June 26, 2020 @08:46AM (#23651358)
HQ is in Armonk which is Westchester County. Somers (since sold) and Poughkeepsie are there as well as is IBM Research at Yoktown Heights. Raleigh is in an industrial park (RTP). I'm by no means familiar with all of IBM's locations but, yes, many of them are suburban. IBM also sold their building in Manhattan in the 90s though they may still have some space there; they did when I last visited but that was quite a while ago. Most of the IBM people I work with work remotely.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by wjamesg on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:17PM (#23658743)
I’m not sure RTP qualifies as “an industrial park” but suburban, sure
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by rexarex on Friday June 26, 2020 @02:47AM (#23649380)
You ever try living in SF? You seem to have described it in a sense.

Also see this great South Park clip for an analogy: https://youtu.be/a3ezyTXFgYM

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by mb7733 on Friday June 26, 2020 @05:27PM (#23657260)
I don't follow. What part of my post described SF, and what is the analogy with that South park clip?

What I said was that if small communities spring up around places where remote workers converge, that is a good thing. It doesn't defeat the purpose of remote work.

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by rexarex on Wednesday July 01, 2020 @01:48AM (#23698168)
I might have misinterpreted your comment, however I’m poking fun at the cyclical nature of change.

The fact that people want to go remote and distributed and then maybe start up these things called ‘offices’ is analogous to quasi anarchist hippies at festivals that want to move off the grid and let a new society flourish organically. Ultimately we end up in the same place.

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by jdbernard on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:49PM (#23648198)
Key difference is that in this model offices are built around the community, not the corporation. Seems likely to lead to very different results.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by pimterry on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:50AM (#23650931)
Self-chosen hubs for work are dramatically better for the individual than a company office though. They're not the same thing.

Advantages:

- Employee picks the location, so it's likely far more convenient for them

- Because employee has freedom to pick their work location, they have far more freedom to pick where they live

- Because employees have freedom to pick their work locations, all of a sudden "work location" is a competitive market, everywhere, and multiple options appear vying to fulfil different preferences (how quiet should they be? are pets allowed? do you want sharp & suited & professional, or lively with events every night, or chilled and friendly, or...?)

- Employee doesn't need to change their commute or desk or _anything_ when they change jobs

- 'Office' social life independent of your colleagues: you meet a wider range of people, and you separate work relationships from those friendships

- Less presenteeism, because it's harder for people to tell when you're present (not impossible, but it pushes in the right direction)

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by chippy on Friday June 26, 2020 @05:16AM (#23650132)
this is the wework model. Instead of the companies running the offices, the companies pay the workers to use 3rd party offices.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by toyg on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:53AM (#23650963)
It’s the AWS model applied to real estate: move that $$$ from CapEx to OpEx, woot!
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by blaser-waffle on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:53AM (#23652625)
Office leases were always OpEx mang
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by toyg on Friday June 26, 2020 @11:46AM (#23653300)
You're right, I was thinking Old Businesses who actually bought their real estate (long-term thinking, such madness!)
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by renewiltord on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:07PM (#23653556)
As it so happens, in the long term they were all dead.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by edw on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:57PM (#23647951)
Or coffee shops.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by ByteJockey on Thursday June 25, 2020 @10:41PM (#23648159)
How do you get supplies to the houses? Presumably you aren't going to want delivery vans driving over the nice grass.

Pneumatic tubes (not sarcastic)? What about when someone needs a new mattress?

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by tricolon on Friday June 26, 2020 @12:36AM (#23648760)
You'd be surprised what you can accomplish with a cargo bike.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by ByteJockey on Friday June 26, 2020 @09:30PM (#23658799)
Fair. And I think that would work for the day to day stuff. You would probably still need a central depot (basically a wal-mart) to get things in to town efficiently. It would probably need a road, but we could limit things fairly well.

But that's why I brought up mattresses.

Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by dsq on Friday June 26, 2020 @10:49AM (#23652584)
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by aaanotherhnfolk on Friday June 26, 2020 @07:10AM (#23650702)
Another perk of remote worker villages is their potential for upsetting gerrymandered districts in the US.
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by forcemajeure on Friday June 26, 2020 @04:38AM (#23649950)
Sounds like a retirement village!
Re:Quora goes permanently remote-first by beamatronic on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:36PM (#23647486)
Sounds like Geocities!