Re:Those who exercise free speech should also defend it even...
by rimliu on Thursday June 25, 2020 @08:56AM
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By "trivially discredited" do you mean just slapping some "-ist" label and boom, it is done?
Re:Those who exercise free speech should also defend it even...
by Chris2048 on Thursday June 25, 2020 @09:19AM
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> regurgitating tired old arguments that are trivially discredited
who judges this? fundamentals of human right are often old, who decides they are tired or outdated?
If they are constantly repeated, then either they aren't considered rebutted, or the rebuttal rarely spreads, and that is the thing that needs to be investigated.
We need to identify "thought-terminating cliches and propaganda" via a bipartisan standard. The current standards seem to be "your propaganda is propaganda, my propaganda is defence".
That works once. Twice. Twenty times. It doesn't take long before these "just raising the controversy" comments overwhelm sincere and thought-provoking discussion. A rhetorical DDoS/DoS works the same way a technological one does.
There are a few small, well-moderated communities/outlets where people have gone a level or two past propaganda and stereotypes, but they come into the discussion with an open mind. I can at least feel like, if I found the right angle, I might persuade them toward my viewpoint.
And most importantly: people come into those spaces knowing what to expect. I expect to see some serious discussion over whether or not I deserve equal rights, for example, but I don't feel like it's futile the way I do with people coming in with a roster of thought-terminating cliches and propaganda as a cover for hate.